ECT Speaking in tongues

TweetyBird

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Thansk TB, RD is not usually that far out, but he sure was this time. It is hard to estimate the amount of damage 2P2P has done, and what it forces people to say. a real stronghold.

I can see that. Paul fought so hard to get across to people that those in Christ are no longer under the old covenant, but in the new covenant of Christ's blood - verse after verse - having been given the mystery of the Gospel, which is Jew and Gentile in the new covenant of Jesus Christ - a mystery hidden from the ages past.
 

TweetyBird

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No, they do not. I showed you what they meant, but you simply ignored it.


Paul is USING the two covenants as a TOOL.... to CONTRAST law and grace.

Nowhere will you see Paul telling a gentile that they are under the new covenant.

The new covenant has law to be kept.



All gentiles are in the new covenant - it is the blood of Christ. Without that blood, all Gentiles are dead in their sins and are unsaved, bound for hell.

The new covenant is not the Mosaic Law.
 

Interplanner

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Nope.

Covenant = contract.

Unilateral or bilateral, it's a contract. It allows either party to cite the ratified terms of the contract.

All today are under grace, not contract.


I don't know if they were trying to say all gentiles were saved or not, but the covenant was between God and Christ, so that christ 'was made a covenant for the nations.' Whoever believes on what Christ did is then in Him.

Both parties can cite (read and quote) terms, but only one party originates them.
 

Interplanner

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RightD wrote:
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No, they do not. I showed you what they meant, but you simply ignored it.


Paul is USING the two covenants as a TOOL.... to CONTRAST law and grace.

Nowhere will you see Paul telling a gentile that they are under the new covenant.

The new covenant has law to be kept.



Oh? I suppose none of the Corinthians were Gentiles? I suppose all men--to whom Paul was compelled to appeal--had no Gentiles? Where again did he spend 90% of his new covenant ministry time?

RD, you'd be less defensive if you'd just follow the text.
 

musterion

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I don't know if they were trying to say all gentiles were saved or not, but the covenant was between God and Christ, so that christ 'was made a covenant for the nations.' Whoever believes on what Christ did is then in Him.

Both parties can cite (read and quote) terms, but only one party originates them.

Stop your evasive blathering.

God never made any covenant with Gentiles during this dispensation of grace, and Israel's covenants are currently suspended. All have been counted in unbelief so that God could have mercy upon all...without distinction, without priority, without contracts, without any claims to lineage, tradition or covenant.

No one -- Jew nor Gentile -- is under any covenant of Israel's today.

None of us have anything to claim except God's grace in Christ via the Gospel of grace, which is no covenant. It's a gift.
 

Interplanner

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Stop your evasive blathering.

God never made any covenant with Gentiles during this dispensation of grace, and Israel's covenants are currently suspended. All have been counted in unbelief so that God could have mercy upon all...without distinction, without priority, without contracts, without any claims to lineage, tradition or covenant.

No one -- Jew nor Gentile -- is under any covenant of Israel's today.

None of us have anything to claim except God's grace in Christ via the Gospel of grace, which is no covenant. It's a gift.


Just state your counter propositions please, without adding your glorious personal put down.

Christ was made a covenant for the people, Is 49:8. Christ did what Israel could not do to fulfill this. Christ is the fulfillment of everything Israel should have done, and Christ is the provision of everything from God to Israel. (This does not attempt to answer who the Israel is in Isaiah which is fluid enough to refer to all believers, to be the source of what Paul said. Isaiah had already said the nations were to be reached by the servant just 5 verses earlier).

That's why the Promise to Abraham and his Seed is evangelical: the Seed was Christ, Gal 3:16. After that's established, those who are in Christ benefit because of that.

I'd like to see NT proof of suspended covenants. Ever read Hebrews? it's over brother. Obsolete, faded away. Reality has taken the place of shadow. Ch 11 says they never were about the land anyway, if that is what you are thinking.

You referred to Rom 11:30 but did not name it (no problem) and that also shows that there is nothing suspended for Israel. Everything is now done through Christ the new covenant, which is now in effect.

A little knowledge is dangerous.
 

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We are a spiritual habitation. We are not Jews. One NEW man, not one reworked man with whom the covenant between God and Israel was broken. Israel was a physical nation of physical Jews which rejected Christ. This is a NEW covenant, not a rehashed old one made up of Jews who believe and Gentiles who believe. Prophetically, only a remnant of Jews will be saved.

You must be misunderstanding what I have said using scripture.

The members of Gods new covenant Israel of which I am a member through the blood of Christ, ARE or WERE from both Jews and Gentiles according to the flesh but such past distinctions are not of importance in the Kingdom of God, now or in the future.

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Stop your evasive blathering.

God never made any covenant with Gentiles during this dispensation of grace, and Israel's covenants are currently suspended. All have been counted in unbelief so that God could have mercy upon all...without distinction, without priority, without contracts, without any claims to lineage, tradition or covenant.

No one -- Jew nor Gentile -- is under any covenant of Israel's today.

None of us have anything to claim except God's grace in Christ via the Gospel of grace, which is no covenant. It's a gift.

God made a covenant with Abraham and his seed which is not many but one who is Christ.

Christ fulfilled that covenant which we who have the faith of Abraham have entered through faith in Christ.


Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 

Danoh

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The fact that Paul mentions Abraham throws off many a person.

Fact of the matter is that are two people and Abraham is the father of both....those who "followed that righteousness which is of the Law" who also walked in that faith that Abraham had...and those under "that righteousness which is of faith" alone...for their same faith of Abraham...

Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
 

Right Divider

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All gentiles are in the new covenant - it is the blood of Christ. Without that blood, all Gentiles are dead in their sins and are unsaved, bound for hell.

The new covenant is not the Mosaic Law.
Why is the Word of God so difficult for you? The new covenant is the SAME people as the OLD covenant.
 

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The fact that Paul mentions Abraham throws off many a person.

Fact of the matter is that are two people and Abraham is the father of both....those who "followed that righteousness which is of the Law" who also walked in that faith that Abraham had...and those under "that righteousness which is of faith" alone...for their same faith of Abraham...

Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

There are not two peoples of faith in Christ--

Only one people--

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

and they are all children of God through faith in Christ--

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Why is the Word of God so difficult for you? The new covenant is the SAME people as the OLD covenant.

Only by name.

The new covenant people are now called Christians and it is they who are the apple of Gods eye.

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


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Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

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Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

LA

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jimiduzit

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:thumb: Excellent! I run into the 'Yashuah' argument frequently and reply likewise.
Thanks for that Steko as my accent sounds like "ah" as in father. I am aware there are no vowels and it is YHWH. I have heard it both with the "ah" and "eh". I've also found Jesus as Yahshua and Yehshua in addition to other spellings as to pronunciation and translating.
But I don't find anywhere anything close to a Greek "Jesus" or the germanic tectonic "God" for names of the Creator and Saviour of the world. We gladly gave up Christmas, Easter, and Sunday too and the blessing that has resulted is more than space on this page allows. Blessings to you and thank you again.
YHWH's blessings to you and yours!!!

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Right Divider

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All gentiles are in the new covenant - it is the blood of Christ. Without that blood, all Gentiles are dead in their sins and are unsaved, bound for hell.

The new covenant is not the Mosaic Law.
You keep making this false claims, without any support.

The new covenant is between the same parties as the old. That is what the Bible says, but you disagree. That's your problem.

Jer 31:31-34 (AKJV/PCE)
(31:31) ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: (31:32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: (31:33) But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (31:34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Just read it and believe it. It's just crystal clear.

P.S. Note that "with their fathers" makes it completely clear WHO the LORD is talking about!
 

DAN P

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Hi and Heb 8:8 is clear as to the New Covenant will be given to and no Gentiles are allowed , unless they im-brace Moses Law !!

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