Should Children Be Executed If They've...

[genuineoriginal]

And to even think of killing a child is sickening!!!

To even think of killing any human is sickening.
This is how it is supposed to be.

A person that commits a capital offense is doing something that is even more sickening to God (an abomination), because God saw the effects of letting those people live.

Genesis 6:5 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.​

God decided that the only way to deal with the spreading of wickedness was to kill everything that breathed on the earth with the flood.
After the end of the flood, God instituted capital punishment to slow down the spread of evil.

Genesis 9:5-6 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. 6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.​

 

[JudgeRightly]

So what about loving your enemy, doing good to those that hate you, blessing those who curse you and praying for those who dispitefully use you?

Commands for when Christ would establish His Kingdom on Earth, none of which violate His laws for putting to death criminals.

Did Jesus want those who crucified him murdered?

Loaded question.

Or did he ask God to forgive them?

He asked His Father to forgive them for the sin they were committing unknowingly. ("for they know not what they do")

Killing is of the world, and the works will punish as they see fit.

Huh?

:AMR:

But those of God follow Jesus and he didn't kill anyone, he was full of forgiveness and mercy.

Paul disagrees.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. - Romans 13:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans13:3-4&version=NKJV

Although I do believe that anyone who commits premeditated murder should have a whole life sentence with no parole and no easy ride.

Which just gives him the opportunity to escape and kill again.

Why not just put him to death and send him to the prison where no man can escape from, hell?

We are to bring the new and living way of Christ Jesus, and leave judgement to God. He will deal with those who do evil.

Romans 12

Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. - Romans 13:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans13:3-4&version=NKJV

God gave to government the responsibility of punishing and even executing criminals for their crimes.

 

[genuineoriginal]

When you compare stats between similar states and countries that have and don't have death penalties, the states with the death penalties almost always have higher murder rates.

Keeping the death penalty sounds like a reasonable reaction to high murder rates.

 

[marhig]

Commands for when Christ would establish His Kingdom on Earth, none of which violate His laws for putting to death criminals.



Loaded question.



He asked His Father to forgive them for the sin they were committing unknowingly. ("for they know not what they do")



Huh?

:AMR:



Paul disagrees.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister[/BLUE], an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. - Romans 13:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans13:3-4&version=NKJV



Which just gives him the opportunity to escape and kill again.

Why not just put him to death and send him to the prison where no man can escape from, hell?



For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. - Romans 13:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans13:3-4&version=NKJV

God gave to government the responsibility of punishing and even executing criminals for their crimes.

In Romans13 3-4 Paul is referring to the word of God, not a literal sword and by those in government he doesn't mean those who govern the world but those who govern by the Spirit, Gods ministers, he's speaking of those who belong to God coming in the power of the Spirit to come against evil with the word of God, the sword of the Spirit.

 

[marhig]

To even think of killing any human is sickening.
This is how it is supposed to be.

A person that commits a capital offense is doing something that is even more sickening to God (an abomination), because God saw the effects of letting those people live.

Genesis 6:5 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.​

God decided that the only way to deal with the spreading of wickedness was to kill everything that breathed on the earth with the flood.
After the end of the flood, God instituted capital punishment to slow down the spread of evil.

Genesis 9:5-6 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. 6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.​

If God takes a life then so be it, God created life and he can take it. But Jesus came in peace and love, not in killing and revenge. As those who belong to him have the heart the he has.

We are to leave vengeance to God and bring Christ to others, not go around killing others.

 

[marhig]

Keeping the death penalty sounds like a reasonable reaction to high murder rates.

Could you do it? Could you be the one to execute someone?

 

[genuineoriginal]

The problem WITH the DP is that it puts innocent people to death

The problem with not having the death penalty is that the guilty get to live.

a thing we have no right to do.

Then we should change the system so it doesn't convict so many innocent people.

Fortunately, we don't have to do that to protect society or punish the guilty (so far as we know them to be). And if we get it wrong and that wrong is proven we can recompense to some extent the wrongfully convicted and held.

According to Jesus, your ways are not working.
It is pretty obvious that our society is rapidly becoming just like the ones in the days of Noah and the days of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Luke 17:26-30 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.​

That's not raising the bar, that's lowering the argument to an absurd play at popular misconception and irrationality.

Actually, it is not.
The current system is based on politics, not on justice.
There is a demand to convict someone for each crime.
The defense attorney will always try to get the accused to accept a plea agreement, whether the accused is guilty or not.
The prosecuting attorney will stack up so many charges against the accused that the accused has no real choice except to accept a plea agreement.
When the accused does go to trial, the lawyers play games to get some pieces of evidence accepted, some pieces of evidence suppressed, and refuse to allow the witnesses to actually speak freely about what they are testifying about.
Our system is flawed and most of the blame can be put squarely upon the lawyers.

 

[JudgeRightly]

In Romans13 3-4 Paul is referring to the word of God, not a literal sword and by those in government he doesn't mean those who govern the world but those who govern by the Spirit, Gods ministers, he's speaking of those who belong to God coming in the power of the Spirit to come against evil with the word of God, the sword of the Spirit.

No, Paul isn't.

You clearly are not paying attention to the context if that's what you think he's saying.

Here's the passage in context:

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor. - Romans 13:1-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans13:1-7&version=NKJV

 

[genuineoriginal]

Did you have a point to make?

You asked whether a six year old should be put to death for murder.
These are two six year olds that have committed murder for us to discuss.
These are not some retarded six year olds that can be called babies or toddlers.
These are real criminals that have committed murder at the age of six.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Could you do it? Could you be the one to execute someone?

I would because the LORD God declares that murderers should be put to death:

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man" (Acts 9:6).​

Nothing about the LORD's command has changed since man is still made in the image of God.

What about you? Should we honor the LORD's commands and put murderers to death?

 

[marhig]

No, Paul isn't.

You clearly are not paying attention to the context if that's what you think he's saying.

Here's the passage in context:

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor. - Romans 13:1-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans13:1-7&version=NKJV

Yes God's ministers not the governments of the world!

He's not talking of the literal sword but of the word of God, which is what God's true ministers come with!

 

[genuineoriginal]

Yo will never get me to agree with your statement. A crime requires intent. The bible says do not murder, it does not say do not kill. I hope you understand the difference.

You need to read more of the Bible, since it contradicts what you believe.

 

[marhig]

I would because the LORD God declares that murderers should be put to death:

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man" (Acts 9:6).​

Nothing about the LORD's command has changed since man is still made in the image of God.

What about you? Should we honor the LORD's commands and put murderers to death?

This is acts 9:6

And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

 

[genuineoriginal]

If God takes a life then so be it, God created life and he can take it. But Jesus came in peace and love, not in killing and revenge. As those who belong to him have the heart the he has.

We are to leave vengeance to God and bring Christ to others, not go around killing others.

Can you guess what Jesus will do when He returns?

Revelation 3:3 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.​

John 10:10a The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy​

 

[JudgeRightly]

Yes God's ministers not the governments of the world!

You still aren't paying attention to the context:

Read the following passage again, starting with the first sentence, and don't jump ahead.

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor. - Romans 13:1-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans13:1-7&version=NKJV

Paul is talking about governments, not church leadership.

He's not talking of the literal sword but of the word of God, which is what God's true ministers come with!

Marhig, what are swords used for? Killing, right?

And he said to them, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘Let every man put his sword on his side, and go in and out from entrance to entrance throughout the camp, and let every man kill his brother, every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.’ ” - Exodus 32:27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus32:27&version=NKJV

Why would this passage, which is talking about GOVERNING AUTHORITIES, be talking about anything else but a standard sword (or weapon, since swords are hardly used anymore)?

 

[CabinetMaker]

You need to read more of the Bible, since it contradicts what you believe.

What is the difference between a brother that kills his brother and a soldier that puts an entire town, including babies, to the sword.

 

[marhig]

Can you guess what Jesus will do when He returns?

Revelation 3:3 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.​

John 10:10a The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy​

He has returned and he is in the heart of his people, and he puts sin to death by the sword of the Spirit through those who belong to him.

When Jesus told Peter to kill and eat, he didn't mean literally kill animals and eat them. He was telling Peter to put to death with the word of God, as he has had made the gentiles clean. So Peter was to go and speak the truth, put to death with the word of God and then he could eat.

We can't take off others if they still live by the lusts of the flesh, they must be put to death first, their old life gone and live by the will of God loving him with their all and having the love of Christ in their hearts for others, walking in the Spirit before we can eat (share the bread) with them.

Sorry I have to go for now, I'll try and answer anymore later God willing.

 

[marhig]

You still aren't paying attention to the context:

Read the following passage again, starting with the first sentence, and don't jump ahead.

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor. - Romans 13:1-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans13:1-7&version=NKJV

Paul is talking about governments, not church leadership.



Marhig, what are swords used for? Killing, right?

And he said to them, “Thus says the Lord God of Israel: ‘Let every man put his sword on his side, and go in and out from entrance to entrance throughout the camp, and let every man kill his brother, every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.’ ” - Exodus 32:27 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus32:27&version=NKJV

Why would this passage, which is talking about GOVERNING AUTHORITIES, be talking about anything else but a standard sword (or weapon, since swords are hardly used anymore)?

And you are only reading everything literally. Jesus said those who have ears to hear, hear. The Bible is a spiritual book written by men inspired of God.
Sorry I have to go for now.

 

[JudgeRightly]

And you are only reading everything literally.

Why is that a bad thing?

If Paul says "governing authority," why would he not mean "governing authority?"

Jesus said those who have ears to hear, hear. The Bible is a spiritual book written by men inspired of God.

The Bible is a book about His-story, detailing events that did, in fact, happen. Why should it not be read literally? You wouldn't read a history schoolbook as if it was all spiritual, would you?

Sorry I have to go for now.

:noid:

 

[glorydaz]

Why is that a bad thing?

If Paul says "governing authority," why would he not mean "governing authority?"



The Bible is a book about His-story, detailing events that did, in fact, happen. Why should it not be read literally? You wouldn't read a history schoolbook as if it was all spiritual, would you?



:noid:

Yes, the verse is speaking of the governing authority.

Literally, as you say. Which means it's the government who should do the "executing" where the people's safety is concerned. Don't you agree?