They're not similar at all because, unlike Ukraine, Naziism has very little influence over the US government.
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You should tell all of the Republican neo-Nazis, Confederacy sympathizers, anti-Semites, Klansmen, Groypers, etc, that they are in the wrong party because they seem to have missed that memo.
ok doser
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You will never convince the left of that. They are convinced that white nationalism white supremacy neo-nazism etc etc etc all are integrally bound to the right, to the Republicans, to the conservatives.
Perhaps that's because in the USA, white nationalism white supremacy neo-nazism etc are integrally bound to the right.
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There are fine people on both sides.
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Figures the one liberal (in a good way) thing about him is with abortion. smh at the idiot.“In the modern world, the decision is up to the woman herself,” Russia’s president said in his annual marathon press conference on Wednesday, which ran to just shy of four hours. Any attempt to suppress it, he added, would only push the practice underground, causing immense damage to women’s health.
Putin also cautioned against tightening the country’s historically liberal laws on abortion any further, saying that any decision on future regulation “must be careful, considered and based on the general mood in society and the moral and ethical norms that have developed in society.”
Guess What? Vladimir Putin Is a Pro-Choice Champion
Russia's president shows the limits of his professed Orthodox faithfortune.com
Idolater
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We've done what we can, which is to appoint justices to the Supreme Court who are 'in a nutshell' "originalists". Also I believe six of the nine justices are Catholic, fwiw. We're all waiting to see what they can come up with.
There's no way this isn't just murder.
Idolater
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The whole "right-left" thing is fraught.
As far as I'm concerned right means minimal, "night watchman" style government, and left means lots of government services like schools, healthcare, curbside trash pick-up, etc.
Sometimes people just mean Democrat and Republican by left and right.
Sometimes by left people mean communism, Marxism, government owns everything. These same people by right mean something like 'classical liberalism' or capitalism.
Some people mean by right authoritarian and left means libertarian, 'laissez faire'.
You can be "night watchman" style thinker but still support a strong military, so the tax burden can be as high as it is in a state with lots of universal services. That could be how people who think Nazis were right wing are thinking.
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Wow, if that's the best you've got then no wonder you read rubbish like The Gateway Pundit and fall for it. Will Ukraine have its element of far right Nazi wingnuts? Sure, everywhere does unfortunately but it's as much a Nazi state as your country or mine.
Arthur Brain
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It isn't "libs" that have "labelled" it. It's squarely placed on the far right because that's where it's at. Fact. A bunch of whackjobs they most certainly were but at least those at the "Unite The Right" rally didn't shy away from it.
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Repeating the lie...
Arthur Brain
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You do realize that Zelensky is Jewish, right?
ok doser
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All Mexicans are rapists!
The Nazi George Soros is Jewish also.
Arthur Brain
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For those who "think" Soros is Nazi, take a look at the sources...:
Soros has become a magnet for such theories, with opponents claiming that he is behind such diverse events as the 2017 Women's March, the fact-checking website Snopes, the gun-control activism engaged in by the survivors of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting,[140][141][142] the October 2018 immigrant caravans, and the protests against then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.[26][143] President Donald Trump in a tweet also claimed Soros was backing the protests against Kavanaugh's nomination.[144]
Conservatives picked up on the thread in the late 2000s, spearheaded by Fox News. Bill O'Reilly gave an almost ten-minute monologue on Soros in 2007, calling him an "extremist" and claiming he was "off-the-charts dangerous".[141] Breitbart News, according to the London Times journalist David Aaronovitch, has regularly published articles blaming Soros for anything of which it disapproves.[145]
Soros's opposition to Brexit (in the United Kingdom) led to a front page on the British Conservative supporting newspaper The Daily Telegraph in February 2018, which was accused of antisemitism for claiming he was involved in a supposed "secret plot" for the country's voters to reverse their decision to leave the European Union.[30] While The Daily Telegraph did not mention Soros is Jewish, his opposition to Britain leaving the European Union had been reported elsewhere in less conspiratorial terms.[31] Stephen Pollard, editor of The Jewish Chronicle, said on Twitter: "The point is that language matters so much and this is exactly the language being used by antisemites here and abroad".[32][146] In October 2019, Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg accused Soros of being the "funder-in-chief" of the Remain campaign, and was subsequently accused of anti-semitism by opposition MPs.[147]
After being ousted from office in the wake of the Panama Papers scandal of 2016, Icelandic Prime Minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson accused Soros of having bankrolled a conspiracy to remove him from power.[148][149] It was later pointed out that Soros himself had also been implicated in the Panama Papers, casting doubt on the prime minister's theory.[150]
Following a December 20, 1998 60 Minutes interview[151] in which Soros related his experiences when at the age of 13, the Nazis occupied his native Hungary,[152] right-wing figures such as Alex Jones, Dinesh D'Souza, Glenn Beck, Roseanne Barr,[153] James Woods, Ann Coulter,[152] Louie Gohmert,[151] Marjorie Taylor Greene,[154] and Donald Trump Jr.,[155] promulgated the false conspiracy theory, which has been described as anti-Semitic, that Soros was a Nazi collaborator who turned in other Jews and stole their property during the occupation.[156][157][158][159][160][161][162][163]
In October 2018, Soros was accused of funding a Central American migrant caravan heading toward America.[164][165][166] The theory that Soros was causing Central American migration at the southern US border apparently dates back to late March 2018, however.[167] The October 2018 strain of the theory has been described to combine anti-semitism, anti-immigrant sentiment and "the specter of powerful foreign agents controlling major world events in pursuit of a hidden agenda", connecting Soros and other wealthy individuals of Jewish faith or background to the October caravan.[167] Donald Trump was among those promoting the conspiracy theory.[168] Both Cesar Sayoc, the perpetrator of the October 2018 attempted bombings of prominent Democrats, and Robert Bowers, the perpetrator of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, referred to this conspiracy theory on social media before their crimes.[169][170]
In November 2018, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan denounced Soros while speaking about Turkey's political purges, saying: "The person who financed terrorists during the Gezi incidents is already in prison. And who is behind him? The famous Hungarian Jew Soros. This is a man who assigns people to divide nations and shatter them."[171]
In November 2019, attorney Joseph diGenova, who is known for promoting conspiracy theories about the Department of Justice and the FBI,[180] asserted on Fox News without evidence that Soros "controls a very large part of the career foreign service of the United States State Department" and "also controls the activities of FBI agents overseas who work for NGOs – work with NGOs. That was very evident in Ukraine."[181] Soros's Open Society Foundation described diGenova's claims as "beyond rhetorical ugliness, beyond fiction, beyond ludicrous" and requested that Fox News provide an on-air retraction of diGenova's claims, and stop providing diGenova with a platform.[182] Although the network never publicly announced it had banned him, diGenova has not appeared on Fox following the incident.[183] In September 2020, diGenova suggested that Fox News is also controlled by Soros.[183]
A study by Zignal Labs found that unsubstantiated claims of involvement by Soros were one of three dominant themes in misinformation and conspiracy theories around the 2020 George Floyd protests, alongside claims that Floyd's murder had been faked and claims of involvement by antifa groups.[184] The Anti-Defamation League estimated that over four days after Floyd's murder, negative Twitter messages about Soros increased from about 20,000 per day to about 500,000 per day.[185]
In July 2020, the President of Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev, after the border clashes with Armenia, stated that the 2018 Armenian revolution was "another provocation by Soros and his entourage", and called the government of the Armenian prime minister Nikol Pashinyan the "agents of the Soros Foundation",[186] pointing out the COVID-19 pandemic-related aid to Armenia by the Soros Foundation.[187] Aliyev added that there were "no traces of the Soros Foundation in Azerbaijan", because it had had "cut off their legs" as they were "poisoning the minds of youth", turning them "against their state."[188][189] In October 2020, during the height of the Second Nagorno-Karabakh war, Aliyev labelled Soros's activities a "destructive, movement, and a colonial movement." He also added that Soros "came to power in Armenia today, but failed."[190]
Conspiracy theories and threats
Soros's philanthropy and support for progressive causes has made him the object of many conspiracy theories, most of them originating from the political right.[137][138] Veronika Bondarenko, writing for Business Insider said that "For two decades, some have seen Soros as a kind of puppet master secretly controlling the global economy and politics."[139] The New York Times describes the allegations as moving "from the dark corners of the internet and talk radio" to "the very center of the political debate" by 2018.[26]Soros has become a magnet for such theories, with opponents claiming that he is behind such diverse events as the 2017 Women's March, the fact-checking website Snopes, the gun-control activism engaged in by the survivors of the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting,[140][141][142] the October 2018 immigrant caravans, and the protests against then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.[26][143] President Donald Trump in a tweet also claimed Soros was backing the protests against Kavanaugh's nomination.[144]
Conservatives picked up on the thread in the late 2000s, spearheaded by Fox News. Bill O'Reilly gave an almost ten-minute monologue on Soros in 2007, calling him an "extremist" and claiming he was "off-the-charts dangerous".[141] Breitbart News, according to the London Times journalist David Aaronovitch, has regularly published articles blaming Soros for anything of which it disapproves.[145]
Soros's opposition to Brexit (in the United Kingdom) led to a front page on the British Conservative supporting newspaper The Daily Telegraph in February 2018, which was accused of antisemitism for claiming he was involved in a supposed "secret plot" for the country's voters to reverse their decision to leave the European Union.[30] While The Daily Telegraph did not mention Soros is Jewish, his opposition to Britain leaving the European Union had been reported elsewhere in less conspiratorial terms.[31] Stephen Pollard, editor of The Jewish Chronicle, said on Twitter: "The point is that language matters so much and this is exactly the language being used by antisemites here and abroad".[32][146] In October 2019, Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg accused Soros of being the "funder-in-chief" of the Remain campaign, and was subsequently accused of anti-semitism by opposition MPs.[147]
After being ousted from office in the wake of the Panama Papers scandal of 2016, Icelandic Prime Minister Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson accused Soros of having bankrolled a conspiracy to remove him from power.[148][149] It was later pointed out that Soros himself had also been implicated in the Panama Papers, casting doubt on the prime minister's theory.[150]
Following a December 20, 1998 60 Minutes interview[151] in which Soros related his experiences when at the age of 13, the Nazis occupied his native Hungary,[152] right-wing figures such as Alex Jones, Dinesh D'Souza, Glenn Beck, Roseanne Barr,[153] James Woods, Ann Coulter,[152] Louie Gohmert,[151] Marjorie Taylor Greene,[154] and Donald Trump Jr.,[155] promulgated the false conspiracy theory, which has been described as anti-Semitic, that Soros was a Nazi collaborator who turned in other Jews and stole their property during the occupation.[156][157][158][159][160][161][162][163]
In October 2018, Soros was accused of funding a Central American migrant caravan heading toward America.[164][165][166] The theory that Soros was causing Central American migration at the southern US border apparently dates back to late March 2018, however.[167] The October 2018 strain of the theory has been described to combine anti-semitism, anti-immigrant sentiment and "the specter of powerful foreign agents controlling major world events in pursuit of a hidden agenda", connecting Soros and other wealthy individuals of Jewish faith or background to the October caravan.[167] Donald Trump was among those promoting the conspiracy theory.[168] Both Cesar Sayoc, the perpetrator of the October 2018 attempted bombings of prominent Democrats, and Robert Bowers, the perpetrator of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, referred to this conspiracy theory on social media before their crimes.[169][170]
In November 2018, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan denounced Soros while speaking about Turkey's political purges, saying: "The person who financed terrorists during the Gezi incidents is already in prison. And who is behind him? The famous Hungarian Jew Soros. This is a man who assigns people to divide nations and shatter them."[171]
In November 2019, attorney Joseph diGenova, who is known for promoting conspiracy theories about the Department of Justice and the FBI,[180] asserted on Fox News without evidence that Soros "controls a very large part of the career foreign service of the United States State Department" and "also controls the activities of FBI agents overseas who work for NGOs – work with NGOs. That was very evident in Ukraine."[181] Soros's Open Society Foundation described diGenova's claims as "beyond rhetorical ugliness, beyond fiction, beyond ludicrous" and requested that Fox News provide an on-air retraction of diGenova's claims, and stop providing diGenova with a platform.[182] Although the network never publicly announced it had banned him, diGenova has not appeared on Fox following the incident.[183] In September 2020, diGenova suggested that Fox News is also controlled by Soros.[183]
A study by Zignal Labs found that unsubstantiated claims of involvement by Soros were one of three dominant themes in misinformation and conspiracy theories around the 2020 George Floyd protests, alongside claims that Floyd's murder had been faked and claims of involvement by antifa groups.[184] The Anti-Defamation League estimated that over four days after Floyd's murder, negative Twitter messages about Soros increased from about 20,000 per day to about 500,000 per day.[185]
In July 2020, the President of Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev, after the border clashes with Armenia, stated that the 2018 Armenian revolution was "another provocation by Soros and his entourage", and called the government of the Armenian prime minister Nikol Pashinyan the "agents of the Soros Foundation",[186] pointing out the COVID-19 pandemic-related aid to Armenia by the Soros Foundation.[187] Aliyev added that there were "no traces of the Soros Foundation in Azerbaijan", because it had had "cut off their legs" as they were "poisoning the minds of youth", turning them "against their state."[188][189] In October 2020, during the height of the Second Nagorno-Karabakh war, Aliyev labelled Soros's activities a "destructive, movement, and a colonial movement." He also added that Soros "came to power in Armenia today, but failed."[190]
Stand back and stand by.
Meh, Joe could wear a pink tutu and tap dance to “Maniac” and he would still be 100% more competent and sane than Former Guy.
Yes, but that's too low of a bar.