Then you are saying that the Gospel is no good, because that is all that I teach.
The Gospel and justification by faith are what the Bible is about.
Scriptures that Refute Calvinism
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Then you are saying that the Gospel is no good, because that is all that I teach.
The Gospel and justification by faith are what the Bible is about.
Predestination is a false doctrine that is not supported by scripture.
Silly boy, Pateism isn't the Gospel
Neither is the sting of the TulipBee.
True. It's a false doctrine created by Augustine and Calvin.
The Calvinists on this forum like to attack Pate for some reason? Perhaps because he speaks the truth they don't want to hear?
The "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ refutes the doctrine of predestination.
Everyone has been reconciled unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19. Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.
Their problem is not with me, their probem is with the scrptures, which I believe to be true.
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No, we actually believe God's plan includes changes of what happens, only that these have all been decreed from eternity. When you read of God "repenting" of this or that, these are but anthropopathisms made to accommodate our finitude about the One Who is wholly other than us. We know this to be true from the didactic passages of Scripture which clearly state God does not "repent" like man. This is why taking the whole counsel of Scripture into account is important when interpreting isolated passages, as you are so fond of doing, Robert. :AMR:
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There are no isolated passages in the Bible. Only the ones that you don't have an answer for.
Like 2 Corinthians 5:19, Hebrews 2:9, 1 Timothy 2:4, Romans 10:13.
You doctrine is in conflict with so many of the scriptures that it is very obvious that you don't believe the Bible.
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First of all, I don't recall more than two who claim to be Calvinist tell Pate he is going to hell because of his doctrine, yet Robert has for years attacked Calvinists and Catholics in his threads that all basically say the same thing, telling them they are unbelievers, void of the Holy Spirit, going to hell, false teachers etc.. It would be one thing if he actually took the time to listen to the answers people give and engage in serious, open minded discussion; but he refuses to at least try to understand and just starts another thread repeating the same caricatures and false conclusions that he has been corrected on too many times from multiple TOL members.
Second of all, Pates doctrine, the way he presents it, is unbiblical, extremely confusing, heretical, illogical, subject to change not only from thread to thread, but even in the same post!!
When questioned to the point where he has no answer, he gives one of his famous go-to replies such as "it will all be clear in the judgment" or "you don't understand because you don't have the Holy Spirit" etc..
How many threads have you seen from the Catholics or Calvinists that are directed toward "Pateism"? Even if one exists, it doesn't even begin to measure against the scores that he has against them.
So really, who is actually on the attack GM?
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You claim Pate's posts to be, unbiblical, extremely confusing, heretical and illogical. I don't see it that way. It's probably because I don't think like a Calvinist. Calvinists have been indoctrinated by John Calvin, Reformed Theology, and St. Augustine. They have the predisposition to interpret Scripture in light of their chosen belief system. We all are. I grew up in California for the better part of my life and attended a non-denominational, Christ centered, Bible believing, conservative church. I attended that church from the year 1962 through 2008. I have since moved to a different state and have "tried out" a few churches. I have yet to find one. In the 1970s, I started listening to a Presbyterian (Reformed theology/Calvinist) radio station which I enjoyed. They would present John MacArthur and other Calvinist preachers. I have to admit, I temporarily was coaxed into a Calvinist mindset. In fact, I actually leaned towards "Predestinational" thought. It didn't last long although. When I moved from California to be with my Son and other loved ones, I purchased a New King James Version of the Bible and began to read and study the word of God in greater depth. I now can say that the Lord set me straight on a lot of different issues. One of those issues was the lack of validity of Reformed Calvinist belief. I'm thoroughly convinced that God's Holy Inspired Written Word does not back up the Calvinist belief system. I unashamedly consider myself a "Dispensationalist to the Core." I'm a believer/follower of the Pauline Gospel which was given to Paul by the "Ascended Lord Jesus Christ." I believe that "The Grace Gospel" covers both Jew and Gentile in this "Dispensation of Grace." I do not waver in this truthful Gospel of Grace through faith alone.
We're not the one's who do the attacking. It's Pate who makes myriads of anti-Calvinist threads and posts day in and day out, every single day for what I can only assume has been the entirety of his time on here.
So that's just a bunch of nonsense, he's just reaping what he sows with that.
And, if you find Pate to be some extraordinary measure of truth, than it's no wonder that you share such weak argumentation as him :chuckle:
I have bad news for you. I consider you my " Unequal." Your IQ is the same size as your shoelace, no doubt.
Hey Cruc, it would be best if you worked on your posts. You come off as some type of slow-witted poster that, has himself as his greatest fan. Just trying to help ya.
fishrovmen
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Yes
ILLOGICAL
You all condemn sound reason and sober logic for nonsensical, bizarre, and contradictory thinking.
Brother Ducky
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Frankly I do not think it is silly. If one has absolute free-will one should be able to change one's belief system, right? So, why not change from being a Pateist to being a Calvinist?
The thing is, while there is indeed free-will, its exercise is limited by who and what you are at the moment of exercise. Despite your claim of free-will, you are limited by, among other things, what you believe at any given moment. You believe that Calvinist is wrong on various points, and because of that you just can not exercise your free-will and become a Calvinist.
In the same way, the natural man is inherently dead set against the things of God. AMR has posted a Biblical anthropology showing what the natural man is and why he can not just exercise his free-will and become a Christian.
If you think this is incorrect, then come up with a Biblical anthropology showing how the natural man can exercise his free-will and become a Christian.
We have the freedom to believe anything that we want to believe.
Adam did not lose his free will in the fall, what he lost was his relationship with God.
As long as a man has the ability to sin he has a free will.
In the New Testment people come to Christ by hearing and believing the Gospel, Romans 10:17.
Well, if we don't feed you, you'll starve. I don't want that on my conscience.