Robert's Gospel According to the Apostle Paul

[tetelestai]

For all you Zionists who think the modern day country called Israel is somehow the Promised Land, keep in mind the following:

Largest gay beach in Asia - Israel

Largest gay pride parade in Asia - Israel

Only country in Asia where gays can openly serve in the military - Israel

Only country in Asia where gays can adopt children - Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-250000-revelers-flood-tel-aviv-for-gay-pride/

 

[Jacob]

(Numbers 19:2) This is a requirement of the law that the Lord has commanded: Tell the Israelites to bring you a red heifer without defect or blemish and that has never been under a yoke.

How do you observe the above commandment?

Laws of Purification

19 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying, 2 “This is the 1ordinance of the law which the Lord has commanded, saying: ‘Speak to the children of Israel, that they bring you a red heifer without 2blemish, in which there is no adefect band on which a yoke has never come. 3 You shall give it to Eleazar the priest, that he may take it coutside the camp, and it shall be slaughtered before him; 4 and Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger, and dsprinkle some of its blood seven times directly in front of the tabernacle of meeting. 5 Then the heifer shall be burned in his sight: eits hide, its flesh, its blood, and its offal shall be burned. 6 And the priest shall take fcedar wood and ghyssop and scarlet, and cast them into the midst of the fire burning the heifer. 7 hThen the priest shall wash his clothes, he shall bathe in water, and afterward he shall come into the camp; the priest shall be unclean until evening. 8 And the one who burns it shall wash his clothes in water, bathe in water, and shall be unclean until evening. 9 Then a man who is clean shall gather up ithe ashes of the heifer, and store them outside the camp in a clean place; and they shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel jfor the water of 3purification; it is for purifying from sin. 10 And the one who gathers the ashes of the heifer shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until evening. It shall be a statute forever to the children of Israel and to the stranger who dwells among them.

11 k‘He who touches the dead 4body of anyone shall be unclean seven days. 12 lHe shall purify himself with the water on the third day and on the seventh day; then he will be clean. But if he does not purify himself on the third day and on the seventh day, he will not be clean. 13 Whoever touches the body of anyone who has died, and mdoes not purify himself, ndefiles the tabernacle of the Lord. That person shall be cut off from Israel. He shall be unclean, because othe water of purification was not sprinkled on him; phis uncleanness is still on him.

14 ‘This is the law when a man dies in a tent: All who come into the tent and all who are in the tent shall be unclean seven days; 15 and every qopen vessel, which has no cover fastened on it, is unclean. 16 rWhoever in the open field touches one who is slain by a sword or who has died, or a bone of a man, or a grave, shall be unclean seven days.

17 ‘And for an unclean person they shall take some of the sashes of the heifer burnt for purification from sin, and 5running water shall be put on them in a vessel. 18 A clean person shall take thyssop and dip it in the water, sprinkle it on the tent, on all the vessels, on the persons who were there, or on the one who touched a bone, the slain, the dead, or a grave. 19 The clean person shall sprinkle the unclean on the third day and on the seventh day; uand on the seventh day he shall purify himself, wash his clothes, and bathe in water; and at evening he shall be clean.

20 ‘But the man who is unclean and does not purify himself, that person shall be cut off from among the assembly, because he has vdefiled the sanctuary of the Lord. The water of purification has not been sprinkled on him; he is unclean. 21 It shall be a perpetual statute for them. He who sprinkles the water of purification shall wash his clothes; and he who touches the water of purification shall be unclean until evening. 22 wWhatever the unclean person touches shall be unclean; and xthe person who touches it shall be unclean until evening.’ ”

 

[tetelestai]

I know about the red heifer and don't have one of my own. Great question! Have you researched about it? I guess there have been eligible red heifers in recent times.

There were perfect red heifers during the days of Moses, during the first temple, and during the second temple.

However, there hasn't been one since 70AD.

For the record, it's impossible to have a third temple without a perfect red heifer.

 

[Jacob]

For all you Zionists who think the modern day country called Israel is somehow the Promised Land, keep in mind the following:

Largest gay beach in Asia - Israel

Largest gay pride parade in Asia - Israel

Only country in Asia where gays can openly serve in the military - Israel

Only country in Asia where gays can adopt children - Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-250000-revelers-flood-tel-aviv-for-gay-pride/

Wait, sick. What are you doing here? This is a Theology Forum and those things do not belong anywhere ever.

 

[Jacob]

There were perfect red heifers during the days of Moses, during the first temple, and during the second temple.

However, there hasn't been one since 70AD.

For the record, it's impossible to have a third temple without a perfect red heifer.

I have heard that there have been eligible red heifers recently, but many deny this.

 

[tetelestai]

Wait, sick. What are you doing here? This is a Theology Forum and those things do not belong anywhere ever.

My point is that modern day Israel has nothing to do with Biblical prophecy.

 

[Dartman]

The kingdom exists right now,

Of course.

It's NOT the kingdom that destroys all the other governments yet, nor is it Christ's literal reign from Jerusalem. But, yes, in a figurative sense, the kingdom certainly exists now.

and it's not of this world.

Correct! It is NOT of this "COSMOS", it is going to destroy this "COSMOS", and then replace it with a new "COSMOS".

Just in case you didn't know, "COSMOS" means "orderly arrangement", the civilization ON the planet.

Christ Jesus isn't coming back to sit on a man made throne in the Middle East to oversee animal sacrifices for sin atonement.

According to Scripture he is.

Luke 1:32-33 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

 

[Jacob]

My point is that modern day Israel has nothing to do with Biblical prophecy.

Maybe not, but you think something Paul said before the destruction of the temple applies after the destruction of the temple.

 

[Dartman]

Dispensationalists like yourself have been saying this same rhetoric for decades.

More like for thousands of years. Starting with the prophets, and continuing with Jesus and his apostles.

Israel was rescued. The believing Jews (The Israel of God) fled to the hills, just like Jesus told them to do.

??? have you heard of "history"?!? The Jews fled to the hills, ONLY to be rounded up later, and shipped as slaves to every nation on the planet!!
Have you READ their history???
Do you know what "inquisition" means?
Do you have any idea how "anti-semitic" the crusades were???
Do you know what "pogrom" means???
Have you HEARD of the "holocaust"???

 

[tetelestai]

nor is it Christ's literal reign from Jerusalem.

Not Jerusalem in the Middle East.

(Gal 4:26) But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

The Jerusalem that was in the Middle East was of the slave woman, and represented bondage.

(Gal 4:25) Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.

Christ Jesus isn't coming back to the Jerusalem that was destroyed in 70AD. Especially that Jerusalem that was in slavery with her children.

Christ Jesus reigns right now in the New Jerusalem.

(Heb 12:22) But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,

Why would Jesus leave the heavenly Jerusalem, and come back to a Jerusalem that was destroyed? A Jerusalem that before it was destroyed represented the slave woman?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Those Jews who died were not Christians, they were the Jews who rejected Jesus.

So are you still arguing that the Lord Jesus was wrong when He spoke of a harvest at the "end of the age" and the "field is the world"?

Or are you saying that when He used the Greek word translated "world" he meant only Jerusalem and Judea?

Or have you just lost your mind?

 

[Dartman]

Nope.

Jesus made it crystal clear that the Living Water was the Holy Spirit.

Of course. That doesn't mean Living Waters aren't literal. Do you think there is no such thing as "Bread", just because Jesus used the term figuratively???

The Roman army of 70AD consisted of men from many nations:

"Early in this year Titus Caesar, who had been selected by his father to complete the subjugation of Judaea, and who had gained distinction as a soldier while both were still subjects, began to rise in power and reputation, as armies and provinces emulated each other in their attachment to him. The young man himself, anxious to be thought superior to his station, was ever displaying his gracefulness and his energy in war. By his courtesy and affability he called forth a willing obedience, and he often mixed with the common soldiers, while working or marching, without impairing his dignity as general. He found in Judaea three legions, the 5th, the 10th, and the 15th, all old troops of Vespasian's. To these he added the 12th from Syria, and some men belonging to the 18th and 3rd, whom he had withdrawn from Alexandria. This force was accompanied by twenty cohorts of allied troops and eight squadrons of cavalry, by the two kings Agrippa and Sohemus, by the auxiliary forces of king Antiochus, by a strong contingent of Arabs, who hated the Jews with the usual hatred of neighbors…" —Tacitus The History New Ed edition Book 5.1 Editor: Moses Hadas, Translators: Alfred Church, William Brodribb (Modern Library; New York, 2003)"

So?
That's still not ALL nations.
You still are ignoring the glaringly obvious differences between 70AD and Zech 14.
The Romans didn't have their flesh melt as a plague.
The Romans WON, and Israel was scattered to every nation on the planet.
By contrast, the armies of "all nations" are going to be utterly defeated, and ISRAEL WILL BE RESCUED!
Zech 14:16-17 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
There is NO time in history where this happened!!!




Your reading skills are ....... lacking.

 

[tetelestai]

More like for thousands of years. Starting with the prophets, and continuing with Jesus and his apostles.

Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, or anyone else say Jerusalem was going to rebuilt a third time with a third temple.

??? have you heard of "history"?!? The Jews fled to the hills, ONLY to be rounded up later, and shipped as slaves to every nation on the planet!!

"The whole body, however, of the church at Jerusalem, having been commanded by a divine revelation, given to men of approved piety there before the war, removed from the city, and dwelt at a certain town beyond the Jordan, called Pella. Here those that believed in Christ, having removed from Jerusalem, as if holy men had entirely abandoned the royal city itself, and the whole land of Judea; the divine justice, for their crimes against Christ and his apostles finally overtook them, totally destroying the whole generation of these evildoers form the earth. (Eusebius, 3:5.)

Have you READ their history???
Do you know what "inquisition" means?
Do you have any idea how "anti-semitic" the crusades were???
Do you know what "pogrom" means???
Have you HEARD of the "holocaust"???

You appear to be confusing non-believing Jews with believing Jews.

The Jewish believers who fled to Pella did not continue to practice Judaism, they were Christians.

The Jews who were persecuted by the Crusaders, The Inquisition, and Holocaust were not Christians, they were Christ rejecting Jews. Those Christ rejecting Jews have nothing to do with Bible prophecy

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Which kingdom is verse 41 referring to?

Verse 41 from what book and what chapter?

Why do you deny the words of the Lord Jesus when He says in no uncertain terms that the kingdom will not even be near until He returns to the earth?:

"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand" (Lk.21:27-31).​

Do you think that He was wrong and you are right or what?

I hope they are treating you well in your padded cell.

 

[Dartman]

Not Jerusalem in the Middle East.

(Gal 4:26) But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

The Jerusalem that was in the Middle East was of the slave woman, and represented bondage.

(Gal 4:25) Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.

Christ Jesus isn't coming back to the Jerusalem that was destroyed in 70AD. Especially that Jerusalem that was in slavery with her children.

Christ Jesus reigns right now in the New Jerusalem.

(Heb 12:22) But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,

This is a promise of FUTURE conditions.

Why would Jesus leave the heavenly Jerusalem, and come back to a Jerusalem that was destroyed? A Jerusalem that before it was destroyed represented the slave woman?

To fulfill his God's promises.




Gen 13:14-17 And Jehovah said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art, northward and southward and eastward and westward.
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth. So that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then may thy seed also be numbered.
17 Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it. For unto thee will I give it.


Acts 7:5 And He gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet He promised that He would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.



Heb 11:39-40 And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised,
40 because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.

Acts 7:5 And He gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet He promised that He would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.


1 Cor 15:22-23 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.




1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 

[tetelestai]

Of course. That doesn't mean Living Waters aren't literal. Do you think there is no such thing as "Bread", just because Jesus used the term figuratively???

LOL....please explain what "literal living water" is?

So?
That's still not ALL nations.

How many nations do you think there were in 70AD?

You still are ignoring the glaringly obvious differences between 70AD and Zech 14.

I don't think I am.

Zech 14 is about the destruction of Jerusalem.

There isn't going to be another destruction of Jerusalem. There isn't going to be another Feast of Tabernacles.

So, I don't know how you claim the prophecies are in the yet future.

Your reading skills are ....... lacking.

You need to speak like a true Dispy, and tell me I don't know how to "rightly divide".

 

[tetelestai]

[/COLOR][/I]This is a promise of FUTURE conditions.

No it's not.

Paul and the writer of Hebrews were both using present tense statements when describing the Jerusalem in heaven.

To fulfill his God's promises.

The promises were fulfilled. Everything happened exactly like Jesus said it would.

Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed with not one stone left standing upon another just like Jesus said it would, and it happened before the generation of His contemporaries all passed away.

Jesus returned in judgment in 70AD, just like He said He was going to do. He returned on the darkest day of the month, the first day of the Feast of Trumpets.

No one ever knew the day or hour when the Feast of Trumpets would begin, because unlike all the other feasts, it began on a new moon.

 

[Dartman]

Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, or anyone else say Jerusalem was going to rebuilt a third time with a third temple.

LOL .... so? That isn't the ONLY detail of the future Kingdom on the earth! Jesus told the apostles;

Matt 19:28-29 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Notice, Jesus said "THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL". The lost 10 tribes are going to be recovered!
The apostles KNEW Jesus was foretold to restore Israel;


Acts 1:6-7 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in His own power.

Jesus responded regarding the TIMING .... fully accepting the future event.

Jesus set the stage for the fulfillment of Zech 14:4


Acts 1:11-12 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.


Zech 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.










"The whole body, however, of the church at Jerusalem, having been commanded by a divine revelation, given to men of approved piety there before the war, removed from the city, and dwelt at a certain town beyond the Jordan, called Pella. Here those that believed in Christ, having removed from Jerusalem, as if holy men had entirely abandoned the royal city itself, and the whole land of Judea; the divine justice, for their crimes against Christ and his apostles finally overtook them, totally destroying the whole generation of these evildoers form the earth. (Eusebius, 3:5.)



You appear to be confusing non-believing Jews with believing Jews.

The Jewish believers who fled to Pella did not continue to practice Judaism, they were Christians.

The Jews who were persecuted by the Crusaders, The Inquisition, and Holocaust were not Christians, they were Christ rejecting Jews. Those Christ rejecting Jews have nothing to do with Bible prophecy[/QUOTE]

 

[tetelestai]

Verse 41 from what book and what chapter?

You quoted Matt 13.

Why do you deny the words of the Lord Jesus when He says in no uncertain terms that the kingdom will not even be near until He returns to the earth?:

Probably because He never said that.

"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand" (Lk.21:27-31).​

You need to read the next verse:

(Luke 21:32) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened

Why do you not believe what Jesus said in verse 32? Is that why you left it out of the passage you quoted?

Do you think that He was wrong and you are right or what?

I think He was right, I'm right, and you are wrong.

I hope they are treating you well in your padded cell.

That's where you're headed if you don't drop Dispensationalism like a bag of dirt.

 

[tetelestai]

Notice, Jesus said "THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL". The lost 10 tribes are going to be recovered!

They were found in the first century.

In Hosea, the House of Israel (10 tribes) were told they were "not my people", they were scattered, and God had no mercy on them.

Now let's look at what Peter said to exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia:

(1 Peter 2:10) Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

1 Peter 2:10 not only proves the New Covenant was made, it proves that the House of Israel (10 tribes) were found.

It's impossible that Peter was speaking to the Jews from the House of Judah because Hosea tells us that God did have mercy on Judah. It's impossible that Peter was speaking to Gentiles because in 1 Peter 1, Peter calls them exiles.

(Hosea 1:6-7) ...for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah...