Robert's Gospel According to the Apostle Paul

Robert Pate

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Did he die for our sins,Pate? Yes, or no? And when?
Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.

Tell us how Christ can die for your/our sins, if there is no law, it being made void, defining the sin, and resulting sin debt, penalty?


ANSWER, Pate.

Tell us why you deny that Christ was our substitute, taking our judgement, condemnation in our place, denying substitutionary atonement, and instead assert, satanically, that he destroyed the law, so that he need not die in our place, taking our judgment, condemnation, as there is no condemnation, judgement, for which he must die, as there is no law.


For you the law has not been destroyed. You are under it and will be judged by it, Galatians 3:10.

The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus abolished the law, Ephesians 2:16, Colossians 2:14, Romans 7:6, 1 Timothy 1:9, plus many other scriptures.

If you were a born again Christian you would be able to accept what the Bible says. But you have not been born again. You are as spiritually dead as a rock.
 

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The Church is a only army that shoots is own soldiers....:loser:
 

tetelestai

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(1 Cor 5:1) It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father's wife.

Was the man who was sleeping with his father's wife committing a sin?
 

glorydaz

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(1 Cor 5:1) It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father's wife.

Was the man who was sleeping with his father's wife committing a sin?

Was the man who was sleeping with his father's wife even a believer, or merely a church attendee?
 

clefty

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The Church is a only army that shoots is own soldiers....:loser:

No no no...stabs in the back maybe...but can’t shoot anybody...all the ordnance were nailed to the cross...it’s all been done away with
 
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Robert Pate

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Only those that believe the Gospel and are resting "In Christ" have been born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23. All the rest are under the law and will be judged by the law.

To believe the Gospel is to believe that all that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our salvation and our justification. "We are complete in him" Colossians 2:10.
 

john w

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For you the law has not been destroyed. You are under it and will be judged by it, Galatians 3:10.

The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus abolished the law, Ephesians 2:16, Colossians 2:14, Romans 7:6, 1 Timothy 1:9, plus many other scriptures.

If you were a born again Christian you would be able to accept what the Bible says. But you have not been born again. You are as spiritually dead as a rock.

No scripture asserts that the law has been made void, spammer-only your satanic "Pate-ianity" 'interpretation.

John W. claims to be a defender of the faith, when in reality he is an enemy of the Gospel.

To teach that the law has not been abolished, is to teach that Christians are still under condemnation.

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Confirmed, again. Pate'solution to the sin/sins issue, is not that Christ died, in our place, to take the just,deserved condemnation of us, in our place, for breaking His own good, holy, spiritual law, thus committing sins, which is the transgression of the law, and results in a sin debt/penalty, his satanic "solution," is to destroy, make void the law, so that there is no sin debt, no condemnation for which Christ might die, in our stead-"for."He denies substitutionary atonement, thus his satanic "vicarious lawkeeping" doctrine of demons.

Thus, Pate, on record, asserts that Christ did not die for our sins.

He won't touch this-watch.

As asked, over 100 times, Pate:

-If the law was abolished 2000+ years ago, then how can Christ die for your/our sins/sib debt, when you assert that there is no longer any law, that defines sin/transgression, and thus no sin debt for which he must die?


-If the law was abolished 2000+ years ago, and you assert, on record, that you commit sins daily,then how can that be, when you assert that there is no longer any law, that defines sin/transgression, and thus no sin which you can commit? If there is no sin debt, that you "owe," and that the solution is to destroy the law, so that you cannot be condemned/judged for breaking a non existing law(your solution), tell us how Christ died for your sins?


-Did Christ die for your sins, Pate? What objective standard defines those sins that you commit? It cannot be the good, holy, spiritual law of God, as you assert that the Lord Jesus Christ made it void 2000+ years ago.


ANSWER YOUR OWN ARGUMENT, pope Pate.
 

john w

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For you the law has not been destroyed. You are under it and will be judged by it, Galatians 3:10.

The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus abolished the law, Ephesians 2:16, Colossians 2:14, Romans 7:6, 1 Timothy 1:9, plus many other scriptures.

If you were a born again Christian you would be able to accept what the Bible says. But you have not been born again. You are as spiritually dead as a rock.

Did he die for our sins,Pate? Yes, or no? And when?
Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.

Tell us how Christ can die for your/our sins, if there is no law, it being made void, defining the sin, and resulting sin debt, penalty?


ANSWER, Pate.

Tell us why you deny that Christ was our substitute, taking our judgement, condemnation in our place, denying substitutionary atonement, and instead assert, satanically, that he destroyed the law, so that he need not die in our place, taking our judgment, condemnation, as there is no condemnation, judgement, for which he must die, as there is no law.
 

john w

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For you the law has not been destroyed. You are under it and will be judged by it, Galatians 3:10.

The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus abolished the law, Ephesians 2:16, Colossians 2:14, Romans 7:6, 1 Timothy 1:9, plus many other scriptures.

If you were a born again Christian you would be able to accept what the Bible says. But you have not been born again. You are as spiritually dead as a rock.

Evasion.

Did he die for our sins,Pate? Yes, or no? And when?
 

john w

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Only those that believe the Gospel and are resting "In Christ" have been born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23. All the rest are under the law and will be judged by the law.

To believe the Gospel is to believe that all that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our salvation and our justification. "We are complete in him" Colossians 2:10.

Because you are spiritually dead you cannot understand spiritual things. I would do better to go talk to a tree or a telephone pole.

For the sake of others I will explain.

Spam, evasion.



There is the physical and then there is the spiritual. Physically we are still here on the earth in our Adamic bodies which are sinful, Romans 7:13-25. Paul said that he was "The Chief of sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15. Spiritually, we are in perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.
Spam, evasion, misdirection.
Tell us if Christ died for our sins, and when, Pate.

Did he die for our sins? Yes, or no? And when?
Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.

Silence-for over 2 years.
As for the law. Jesus fulfilled the law Matthew 5:18 and then for Christians he abolished it, Ephesians 2:15 plus many other scriptures. Because the Christian is led by the Holy Spirit, not the law. The law has been abolished this is why Paul said "The law is not made for the righteous man" 1 Timothy 1:9.

No scripture says the above-you satanically interpreted it.

No law, no transgression-no sin/no sin debt.

"For the sake of argument," tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty. What objective standard, defines the sin debt, you incur, Pate?


ANSWER.



Tell us if Christ died for our sins, and when, Pate.

Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.

Silence-for over 2 years.
Those that are religious reprobates like yourself, cannot believe that the law has been abolished, simply because the law is their religion. What the law is to you, Jesus is to the New Testament Christian.


Spam, evasion. Tell us how Christ can die for your/our sins, if there is no law, it being made void, defining the sin, and resulting sin debt, penalty?


ANSWER, Pate.

Tell us why you deny that Christ was our substitute, taking our judgement, condemnation in our place denying substitutionary atonement, and instead assert, satanically, that he destroyed the law, so that he need not die in our place, taking our judgment, condemnation, as there is no condemnation, judgement, for which he must die, as there is no law.
 

Robert Pate

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Spam, evasion.




Spam, evasion, misdirection.
Tell us if Christ died for our sins, and when, Pate.

Did he die for our sins? Yes, or no? And when?
Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.

Silence-for over 2 years.


No scripture says the above-you satanically interpreted it.

No law, no transgression-no sin/no sin debt.

"For the sake of argument," tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty. What objective standard, defines the sin debt, you incur, Pate?


ANSWER.



Tell us if Christ died for our sins, and when, Pate.

Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.

Silence-for over 2 years.



Spam, evasion. Tell us how Christ can die for your/our sins, if there is no law, it being made void, defining the sin, and resulting sin debt, penalty?


ANSWER, Pate.

Tell us why you deny that Christ was our substitute, taking our judgement, condemnation in our place denying substitutionary atonement, and instead assert, satanically, that he destroyed the law, so that he need not die in our place, taking our judgment, condemnation, as there is no condemnation, judgement, for which he must die, as there is no law.


All of that and 0 scripture. John W. wants to teach Christian doctrine without the Bible.

Why is this so?

1. He doesn't believe the Bible.

2. He doesn't believe the Gospel. The abolishment of the law is a major part of the Gospel, Ephesians 2:15.

3. He has not been born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23.

4. Beware of those who support him. They are as lost as he is.
 

john w

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All of that and 0 scripture. John W. wants to teach Christian doctrine without the Bible.

Why is this so?

1. He doesn't believe the Bible.

2. He doesn't believe the Gospel. The abolishment of the law is a major part of the Gospel, Ephesians 2:15.

3. He has not been born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23.

4. Beware of those who support him. They are as lost as he is.

As I predicted-no answer, evasion, spam, as he accuses others from this copy'npaste piece of dung, sends to everyone that disagrees with his "doctrine," from hell.

Spam, evasion.




Spam, evasion, misdirection.
Tell us if Christ died for our sins, and when, Pate.

Did he die for our sins? Yes, or no? And when?
Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.

Silence-for over 2 years.


No scripture says the above-you satanically interpreted it.

No law, no transgression-no sin/no sin debt.

"For the sake of argument," tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty. What objective standard, defines the sin debt, you incur, Pate?


ANSWER.



Tell us if Christ died for our sins, and when, Pate.

Tell us how you say that you sin, when there is no sin debt to be incurred by you, since, according to you, there is no longer God's holy law in existence, it being destroyed, made void, 2000+ years ago, which defines sin, and thus the resulting sin debt, and penalty.

Silence-for over 2 years.



Spam, evasion. Tell us how Christ can die for your/our sins, if there is no law, it being made void, defining the sin, and resulting sin debt, penalty?


ANSWER, Pate.

Tell us why you deny that Christ was our substitute, taking our judgment, condemnation in our place denying substitutionary atonement, and instead assert, satanically, that he destroyed the law, so that he need not die in our place, taking our judgment, condemnation, as there is no condemnation, judgment, for which he must die, as there is no law.
 

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All of that and 0 scripture. John W. wants to teach Christian doctrine without the Bible.

Why is this so?

1. He doesn't believe the Bible.

2. He doesn't believe the Gospel. The abolishment of the law is a major part of the Gospel, Ephesians 2:15.

3. He has not been born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23.

4. Beware of those who support him. They are as lost as he is.
John W does not need to quote scripture to ask you questions that you continue to evade.

Your fairy tale "gospel" does turn the real gospel upside down. You claim that Christ died to eliminate the law, whereas the Bible says that He dies for our sin. Those are NOT the same.

Rom 7:1-6 KJV
(1) Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
(2) For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
(3) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
(4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
(5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
(6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

That is the REAL story. We are delivered FROM the law because we are DEAD to it and ALIVE to Christ.

Paul says that we are DEAD TO THE LAW and NOT that the law nonexistent.
 

john w

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]All of that and 0 scripture. John W. wants to teach Christian doctrine without the Bible.
1. He doesn't believe the Bible.

You habitual liar, and satan worshiper, as I/others, have given you 10X the amount of scripture that you spam, w/o any explanation, in isolation, as you admit that you delete 3/4 of scripture, revise words, in satan like manner, and add words, like your father, the devil, taught you.

Tell us if Christ died for our sins, and when, Pate.

And this sickening deceiver spams this full of sophistry "You don't believe the bible" on every other post,as if his satanic "interpretation" is equivalent to all of TOL, except him, don't believe the bible. I/others do believe the bible, you satanic shill-we just don't believe your satanic, from the pits of hell, "interpretation."
 

john w

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Your fairy tale "gospel" does turn the real gospel upside down. You claim that Christ died to eliminate the law, whereas the Bible says that He dies for our sin. Those are NOT the same.

Yes, is that simple.

Thus, Pate will not answer:


Did Christ die for our sins, or not?


I've asked him that over 100 times-no response.


I would encourage others to ask him that.
 

Robert Pate

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You habitual liar, and satan worshiper, as I/others, have given you 10X the amount of scripture that you spam, w/o any explanation, in isolation, as you admit that you delete 3/4 of scripture, revise words, in satan like manner, and add words, like your father, the devil, taught you.

Tell us if Christ died for our sins, and when, Pate.

And this sickening deceiver spams this full of sophistry "You don't believe the bible" on every other post,as if his satanic "interpretation" is equivalent to all of TOL, except him, don't believe the bible. I/others do believe the bible, you satanic shill-we just don't believe your satanic, from the pits of hell, "interpretation."


See! HE HAS NO SCRIPTURE. All that he can come up with is insults. He is as spiritually dead as a rock.
 

clefty

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John W does not need to quote scripture to ask you questions that you continue to evade.

Your fairy tale "gospel" does turn the real gospel upside down. You claim that Christ died to eliminate the law, whereas the Bible says that He dies for our sin. Those are NOT the same.

Rom 7:1-6 KJV
(1) Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
(2) For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
(3) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
(4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
(5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
(6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

That is the REAL story. We are delivered FROM the law because we are DEAD to it and ALIVE to Christ.

Paul says that we are DEAD TO THE LAW and NOT that the law nonexistent.

And by “dead to the Law” you mean it never applied to us...and by “alive to Christ” you mean live as our former selves not more like Him less like the world...as nothing of His teaching or lifestyle demonstration applies to us to follow...you know...to copy Paul AS he copied Christ...
 

Robert Pate

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Yes, is that simple.

Thus, Pate will not answer:


Did Christ die for our sins, or not?


I've asked him that over 100 times-no response.


I would encourage others to ask him that.


The question is very elementary.

Of course Jesus died for our sins and not ours only, but for the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

Just because you believe that does not make you a Christian. Satan also believes that, is he saved?
 
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