Rewarded According To Works Yet Saved by Grace

[journey]

Jesus said: "Apart from Me, you can do NOTHING."

journey teaches: while not in Christ, man can do SOMETHING - he can ACCEPT the gift of salvation so he can be in Christ.

If journeys' position is correct, then Jesus' statement is wrong. But since Jesus could not possibly be wrong, then it's journey's position that is wrong.

You've taken a portion of Scripture out of context and formed a false doctrine for yourself. I'm sorry that you're so confused. I suggest that you go back to the beginning. Regardless, I'm through with your confusion. You are basically saying that you have to be saved first before you can be saved. Sounds silly - doesn't it? Like I said in my last post, you have the last word.

 

[TulipBee]

There is no such thing in the Word of God.

Regeneration happens when one is given the Holy Spirit after they repent.

Then you're unregenerate

 

[TulipBee]

I have no idea where you're getting your messed up thoughts. Lost people are NOT in Christ. However, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God, so lost people do get Saved every day. It sounds like you're speaking conflicting statements - one out of each side of your mouth. You can't have it both ways at the same time. Obviously, lost people can accept God's free Gift of Salvation. Saying that someone is IN CHRIST means that they are ALREADY SAVED. You have the last word.

Lots of boasters here !
Free will carried many a soul to hell, but never a soul to heaven. - Charles Spurgeon

 

[Samie]

You've taken a portion of Scripture out of context and formed a false doctrine for yourself. I'm sorry that you're so confused. I suggest that you go back to the beginning. Regardless, I'm through with your confusion. You are basically saying that you have to be saved first before you can be saved. Sounds silly - doesn't it? Like I said in my last post, you have the last word.

You say taken out of context because your words are against the words of Jesus Himself.

Jesus: apart from Me, man can do NOTHING. John 15:5 NASB

journey: apart from Christ, man can do SOMETHING - he can accept the gift of salvation - to be in Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

Then you're unregenerate

I did exactly as Jesus said when I wanted to be saved, and then he saved me.

He is the Way, and his words are truth and life.

 

[God's Truth]

Lots of boasters here !
Free will carried many a soul to hell, but never a soul to heaven. - Charles Spurgeon

If that is true, tell me why God had to harden pharaoh?

 

[God's Truth]

Lots of boasters here !
Free will carried many a soul to hell, but never a soul to heaven. - Charles Spurgeon

If that is true, tell me why God had to harden many of the Jews.

 

[TulipBee]

I did exactly as Jesus said when I wanted to be saved, and then he saved me.

He is the Way, and his words are truth and life.

You don believe in Jesus. You can babble all you want but your baby babbling isn't going to earn you a ticket to heaven. Your theology isn't lined with God's truths. You bare a false name and insult our God. Your next bus is the express bus to hell.

 

[TulipBee]

If that is true, tell me why God had to harden many of the Jews.

Typical man made qustions to shame God. Won't play with you. You're on your own. Take a seat for the wild ride. Hold on tight !

 

[heir]

The first verse, Matthew 16:27 speaks of each one of us getting rewarded according to works at the second coming which obviously includes the Eph 2:8-9 group who were saved by grace.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is not talking TO any of us. The Lord wasn't sent then to us, but Israel (Matthew 15:24 KJV, Romans 15:8 KJV).

 

[heir]

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:13)​

There is no mention here of water. Baptism by the Holy Spirit into water is a given.

There is also an antitype which now saves us, baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
(1 Peter 3:21)​

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.


When one trusts the Lord after hearing and believing the word of truth (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) they are baptized by one Spirit in to one Body (1 Corinthians 12:13).


It is a baptism (identification) into Christ's death,


Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:


It's a Spirit baptism into Christ,


Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


It is the one baptism of Ephesians 4 that we are to endevour to keep.


Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


It has NOTHING to do with water! The Spirit is the baptizer!

 

[heir]

I mean we're told to REPENT and BELIEVE

Not just BELIEVE

nope.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

 

[heir]

The works that Paul was speaking of that do not save are the ceremonial/purification/ regulations.

No, it's all the works of the law

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Why do you keep lying about this?

 

[heir]

Saved by grace means you only have to have faith that Jesus cleans you of the sins you repent of doing.

It means you did not have to bring an animal to kill.

Again, with your lies.

The truth:

Christ died on the cross for all of our sins after being made sin for us and was raised again for our justification whether or not a person believes it!

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

...

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
...

Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

 

[heir]

Jesus says to listen and do what Moses says, but those that do not understand what fulfilled means do not understand what Jesus means.

He never said that TO any of us.

 

[heir]

No one enters God's grace unless they do what His Son says to do.

Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Liar. We all have access by the faith OF Jesus Christ!

Ephesians 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

He never said that TO any of us.

You're correct.

 

[heir]

Tulip is the gospel.

When did you trust the Lord after hearing and believing the gospel of your salvation (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV)? If there's never been a moment, you are just a religious, but lost drone (2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV)

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I have no idea where you're getting your messed up thoughts. Lost people are NOT in Christ. However, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God, so lost people do get Saved every day. It sounds like you're speaking conflicting statements - one out of each side of your mouth. You can't have it both ways at the same time. Obviously, lost people can accept God's free Gift of Salvation. Saying that someone is IN CHRIST means that they are ALREADY SAVED. You have the last word.

Old Sam is a wee bit confused. I think he's a wanna be Calvinist? I have him and AMR on ignore at this point. I'm a happier man for it.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

When did you trust the Lord after hearing and believing the gospel of your salvation (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV)? If there's never been a moment, you are just a religious, but lost drone (2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV)

TB thinks he's one of the so-called, "Elects."