ECT Reserved in Heaven For You

[Jerry Shugart]

Can anyone tell us what Peter referring to in the following passage in "bold"?:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:3-4).​

Thanks!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

I will give you all a little hint concerning what Peter is speaking about when he tells the Jewish believers about a "hope" and something which is "reserved in heaven" for them:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:3-4).​

The "hope" is the same hope which Paul speaks of here:

"We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel" (Col.1:3-5).​

Does my hint help?

Has anyone figured it out yet?

 

[patrick jane]

Was it because they already received the gospel?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Was it because they already received the gospel?

They had already believed so the thing which is reserved in heaven for them is only for the saved. Let us look at the following passage again:

"We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel" (Col.1:3-5).​

Is not Paul speaking of the following "hope" and what will happen then?:

"Awaiting our blessed hope, and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).​

That is exactly the same "hope" which the Apostle John refers to here and it is in regard to the time when Christians will be made like the Lord Jesus when "he shall appear" at the Rapture:

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure" (1 Jn.3:2-3).​

Does that help?

 

[DAN P]

I will give you all a little hint concerning what Peter is speaking about when he tells the Jewish believers about a "hope" and something which is "reserved in heaven" for them:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:3-4).​

The "hope" is the same hope which Paul speaks of here:

"We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel" (Col.1:3-5).​

Does my hint help?

Has anyone figured it out yet?

Hi Jerry and here is how I see 1 Peter 1:43 !!

#1, I see that vere 3 is speaking to Tsrael and NOT to the B O C !

#2 , The only verb in verse 3 is RESERVED / TEREO is in the Greek PERFECT TENSE and when God reserved

that INHERITANCE it is always has to be reserved , always for Israel for the 1000 reign of Christ !!

#3 INHERITANCE can mean property , something given as a possession , or Heir ship !!

In Matt 21:38 and Luke 20:14 examples of inheritance !!

#4 And we seem from 1 Peter 2:9-10 it speaks to Israel !!

dan p

 

[Jerry Shugart]

#3 INHERITANCE can mean property , something given as a possession , or Heir ship !!

Dan, in the following verse Peter ties the inheritance of the Jewish believers to that which is "reserved in heaven" and that can only be in regard to the new body which those in the Body of Christ will put on at the Rapture:

"To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:4).​

The following words of Paul speak of this inheritance:

"...after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory" (Eph.1:13-14).​

The Holy Spirit is given as the earnest of the Christian's "inheritance," and the Christian will inherit the purchased possession on the "day of redemption":

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption" (Eph.4:30).​

In his comments on this verse Dr. Harold W. Hoehner says, "The fact that the Holy Spirit may be grieved points to His personality. His seal of a believer remains until the day of redemption, the time that a believer receives his new body (cf. 1:14, Phil. 3:20-21)" [emphasis added] (Walvoord and Zuck, The Bible Knowledge Commentary; New Testament [Colorado Springs: ChariotVictor Press 1983], 637).

The following words of Paul are in regard to the "redemption of our body":

"And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body" (Ro.8:23).​

It is the heavenly body which is the purchased possession and all those in the Body of Christ will put on that body at the Rapture. That is the same exact inheritance of which Peter speaks of here:

"To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:4)​

In the following verse Paul speaks of the inheritance which is reserved in heaven:

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven" (2 Cor.5:1-2).​

 

[DAN P]

Dan, in the following verse Peter ties the inheritance of the Jewish believers to that which is "reserved in heaven" and that can only be in regard to the new body which those in the Body of Christ will put on at the Rapture:

"To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:4).​

The following words of Paul speak of this inheritance:

"...after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory" (Eph.1:13-14).​

The Holy Spirit is given as the earnest of the Christian's "inheritance," and the Christian will inherit the purchased possession on the "day of redemption":

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption" (Eph.4:30).​

In his comments on this verse Dr. Harold W. Hoehner says, "The fact that the Holy Spirit may be grieved points to His personality. His seal of a believer remains until the day of redemption, the time that a believer receives his new body (cf. 1:14, Phil. 3:20-21)" [emphasis added] (Walvoord and Zuck, The Bible Knowledge Commentary; New Testament [Colorado Springs: ChariotVictor Press 1983], 637).

The following words of Paul are in regard to the "redemption of our body":

"And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body" (Ro.8:23).​

It is the heavenly body which is the purchased possession and all those in the Body of Christ will put on that body at the Rapture. That is the same exact inheritance of which Peter speaks of here:

"To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:4)​

In the following verse Paul speaks of the inheritance which is reserved in heaven:

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven" (2 Cor.5:1-2).​

Hi and I disagree that Peter wrote to the B O C as the apostles had different message as Gal 2:7 reveals , as Paul preached to the UN-CIRCUMCISION and Peter preached to the CIRCUMCISION and Peter NEVER preached the Revelation of the MYSTERY as recorded in Col 1:25 and 26 and also in Rom 16:25 and 26 and Gal 1:6 and where did Peter preach the so-called RAPTURE of the B O C and why is there not a Greek word for RAPTURE ??

And other is to see HOW Peter and Paul were SAVED ?

Were they saved the same WAY ??

Answer is NO !!

dan p

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Hi and I disagree that Peter wrote to the B O C as the apostles had different message as Gal 2:7 reveals , as Paul preached to the UN-CIRCUMCISION and Peter preached to the CIRCUMCISION and Peter NEVER preached the Revelation of the MYSTERY as recorded in Col 1:25 and 26 and also in Rom 16:25 and 26 and Gal 1:6 and where did Peter preach the so-called RAPTURE of the B O C and why is there not a Greek word for RAPTURE ??

Dan, first of all, the word "rapture" came from the Latin word found at 1 Thessalonians 4:17:

"deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cvm illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cvm Domino erimus" (1 Thess.4:17; Latin Vulgate).​

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.4:17).​

Just because two different gospels were preached does not mean that those who believed one gospel were baptized into the Body and those who believed the other one were not. We can know that those who received the Hebrew epistles were taught that the appearance of the Lord Jesus was imminent and His only imminent appearance is when the saints will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

And since that will only happen to those in the Body then we can know that the doctrine found in the Hebrew epistles is for those in the Body.

 

[DAN P]

Dan, first of all, the word "rapture" came from the Latin word found at 1 Thessalonians 4:17:

"deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cvm illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cvm Domino erimus" (1 Thess.4:17; Latin Vulgate).​

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.4:17).​

Just because two different gospels were preached does not mean that those who believed one gospel were baptized into the Body and those who believed the other one were not. We can know that those who received the Hebrew epistles were taught that the appearance of the Lord Jesus was imminent and His only imminent appearance is when the saints will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

And since that will only happen to those in the Body then we can know that the doctrine found in the Hebrew epistles is for those in the Body.

Hi and I did assume that you knew that that the New Testament was written in GREEK and NOT in Latin !!

I even know of dispensationalist who believe in the Latin word RAPTUROS and will never believe the Greek Text !!

Are you saying the Peter and Paul were both saved the same way ??

Give me a verse , please !!
In 1 Thess 4:17 the Greek is CAUGHT UP / HARPAZO and is NOT RAPTURE !!

This is why Danoh harks on some he calls HYBRIDS !!

dan p

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Are you saying the Peter and Paul were both saved the same way ??

Give me a verse , please !!

"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).​

Those who lived under the law were saved by grace through faith, just as the Gentile believers are. And here Paul speaks about David, who lived under the law:

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Ro.4:4-8).​

Now please address this:

The teaching that the catching up of the saints is "imminent" is supported by the following passage:

"For our citizenship is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body...The Lord is at hand (eggus)" (Phil.3:20-21;4:5).​

The Greek word eggus means "of times imminent and soon to come to pass" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).

The Hebrew epistles also speak of an appearance of the Lord Jesus as being near:

"You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near" (James 5:8).​

The Greek word translated "is near" at James 5:8 is eggizo and in this verse that word means "to be imminent" (A Greek English Lexicon, Liddell & Scott [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1940], 467).

In an article found on the "Pre-Trib Research Center" web site Dr. Renald E. Showers writes:

"In light of James' statements C. Leslie Mitton wrote, 'James clearly believed, as others of his time did, that the coming of Christ was imminent.' On the basis of James' statements we can conclude that Christ's coming was imminent in New Testament times and continues to be so today, and that this fact should make a difference in the way Christians live" [emphasis added] (Showers, The Imminent Coming of Christ).​

We can know that those who received the Hebrew epistles were taught that the appearance of the Lord Jesus was imminent and His only imminent appearance is when the saints will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

And since that will only happen to those in the Body then we can know that those who received the Hebrew epistles were members of the Body of Christ.

 

[DAN P]

"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).​

Those who lived under the law were saved by grace through faith, just as the Gentile believers are. And here Paul speaks about David, who lived under the law:

"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Ro.4:4-8).​

Now please address this:

The teaching that the catching up of the saints is "imminent" is supported by the following passage:

"For our citizenship is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body...The Lord is at hand (eggus)" (Phil.3:20-21;4:5).​

The Greek word eggus means "of times imminent and soon to come to pass" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).

The Hebrew epistles also speak of an appearance of the Lord Jesus as being near:

"You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near" (James 5:8).​

The Greek word translated "is near" at James 5:8 is eggizo and in this verse that word means "to be imminent" (A Greek English Lexicon, Liddell & Scott [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1940], 467).

In an article found on the "Pre-Trib Research Center" web site Dr. Renald E. Showers writes:

"In light of James' statements C. Leslie Mitton wrote, 'James clearly believed, as others of his time did, that the coming of Christ was imminent.' On the basis of James' statements we can conclude that Christ's coming was imminent in New Testament times and continues to be so today, and that this fact should make a difference in the way Christians live" [emphasis added] (Showers, The Imminent Coming of Christ).​

We can know that those who received the Hebrew epistles were taught that the appearance of the Lord Jesus was imminent and His only imminent appearance is when the saints will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

And since that will only happen to those in the Body then we can know that those who received the Hebrew epistles were members of the Body of Christ.

Hi and I can not give a full answer as I have to leave , BUT why not show where the Greek text does not show the word RAPTURE , because you CAN NOT !!

Let's settle it by explaining how Peter and Paul were saved with verses for each ?

Either you know , OR do not know how ??

dan p

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Hi and I can not give a full answer as I have to leave

OK, you can give a full answer when you return.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Now I want to return to subject of this thread. Peter used the word "incorruptible" to describe the Christian's inheritance:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:3-4).​

Paul uses the same exact word to describe the body which those in the Body of Christ will put on at the Rapture:

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality" (1 Cor.15:51-53).​

 

[Danoh]

Hi and I can not give a full answer as I have to leave , BUT why not show where the Greek text does not show the word RAPTURE , because you CAN NOT !!

Let's settle it by explaining how Peter and Paul were saved with verses for each ?

Either you know , OR do not know how ??

dan p

As usual, you are being wooden in your approach.

One sense of the word Rapture has to do with that suddenly catching up or snatching a thing up or away.

As when a bird of prey, or raptor, swoops down upon its intended prey, snatches it up, and away to its intended place for it (its dinner table).

Bird of prey

A bird of prey, predatory bird, or raptor is any of several species of bird that hunts and feeds on rodents and other small animals. The term raptor is derived from the Latin word rapere, meaning to seize or take by force.[1] Birds of prey have keen vision that allows them to detect their prey during flight, as well as powerful talons and beaks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_prey

raptor (n.)
c. 1600, "ravisher, abductor," from Latin raptor "a robber, plunderer, abductor, ravisher," agent noun from past participle stem of rapere "to seize" (see rapid). Ornithological use is from 1873 (1823 in Latin plural Raptores).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/raptor

rapture (n.)
c. 1600, "act of carrying off," from Middle French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura "seizure, rape, kidnapping," from Latin raptus "a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape" (see rapt). Earliest attested use in English is of women and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which word is a cognate of this. Sense of "spiritual ecstasy, state of mental transport" first recorded c. 1600 (raptures).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/rapture

Rom. 14: 5, Dan - in memory of Rom. 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.

 

[daqq]

As usual, you are being wooden in your approach.

One sense of the word Rapture has to do with that suddenly catching up or snatching a thing up or away.

As when a bird of prey, or raptor, swoops down upon its intended prey, snatches it up, and away to its intended place for it (its dinner table).

Bird of prey

A bird of prey, predatory bird, or raptor is any of several species of bird that hunts and feeds on rodents and other small animals. The term raptor is derived from the Latin word rapere, meaning to seize or take by force.[1] Birds of prey have keen vision that allows them to detect their prey during flight, as well as powerful talons and beaks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_prey

raptor (n.)
c. 1600, "ravisher, abductor," from Latin raptor "a robber, plunderer, abductor, ravisher," agent noun from past participle stem of rapere "to seize" (see rapid). Ornithological use is from 1873 (1823 in Latin plural Raptores).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/raptor

rapture (n.)
c. 1600, "act of carrying off," from Middle French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura "seizure, rape, kidnapping," from Latin raptus "a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape" (see rapt). Earliest attested use in English is of women and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which word is a cognate of this. Sense of "spiritual ecstasy, state of mental transport" first recorded c. 1600 (raptures).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/rapture

Rom. 14: 5, Dan - in memory of Rom. 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.

Exodus 19:3-6 KJV
3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

But as for the so-called "Rapture" it would be a good idea to research the reasons why I render the following passage the way I do, (you do not need to be able to read Hebrew, but just be able to research it; which one can do at places like biblehub-dot-com, etc.).

Exodus 33:1-6
1 And the LORD said to Moses, Depart, and go up hence, you and the people which you have brought up out of the land of Egypt, unto the land which I sware unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, Unto your seed will I give it:
2 And I will send an Angel before you; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:
3 Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of you, for you are a stiff-necked people: lest I consume you in the way.
4 And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put upon him his head-gear.
5 For the LORD had said to Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, You are a stiff-necked people! I will come up into the midst of you in the twinkle of an eye and consume you! now therefore put off your head-gear from yourselves, for I know what I will do unto you!
6 And the children of Israel plucked off their head-gear from mount Horeb.

Remember now, Danoh, our Elohim is both love and a consuming fire: so when one like a prodigal son comes home, and the Father rushes out to embrace him, (or her), and kisses the lost and found son on the neck, what do you suppose will happen? :chuckle:

What therefore is mount Horeb? (and thus the Torah of Elohim, as in Rom 7:25)?
Mount Horeb is where you wear your "head-gear", (your heavens are within it) . . . :chuckle:

 

[Jerry Shugart]

I don't think that there can be any doubt that in the following verse Peter is speaking of the body which the Christian will put on when they are caught up to meet the Lord Jesus in the air:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:3-4).​

I have shown that every single description in this passage fits perfectly about what we know about the body which we will put on when we are caught up to meet Him in the air. Therefore, those who received the Hebrew epistles were indeed members of the Body of Christ and just like the other members of the Body they will meet the Lord in the air and put on bodies just like His glorious body.

 

[glorydaz]

I don't think that there can be any doubt that in the following verse Peter is speaking of the body which the Christian will put on when they are caught up to meet the Lord Jesus in the air:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (1 Pet.1:3-4).​

I have shown that every single description in this passage fits perfectly about what we know about the body which we will put on when we are caught up to meet Him in the air. Therefore, those who received the Hebrew epistles were indeed members of the Body of Christ and just like the other members of the Body they will meet the Lord in the air and put on bodies just like His glorious body.

What do you make of the phrase, "ready to be revealed in the last time"?

1 Peter 1:4-5 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.​

Might this be what they were looking forward to?

2 Peter 3:10-14 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.​

 

[Jerry Shugart]

What do you make of the phrase, "ready to be revealed in the last time"?

1 Peter 1:4-5 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.​

That is the same salvation of which Paul speaks of here:

"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed" (Ro.13:11).​

Actually, the Greek word translated "salvation" also means "deliverance" and when the Lord Jesus appears will be delived from our mortal bodies and will put on one which is immortal.

And I have already shown that those who received the Hebrew epistles were expecting an imminent appearance of the Lord Jesus and that can only mean that they were expecting to be caught up with the Lord in the air with all the other members of the Body of Christ.

 

[DAN P]

That is the same salvation of which Paul speaks of here:

"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed" (Ro.13:11).​

Actually, the Greek word translated "salvation" also means "deliverance" and when the Lord Jesus appears will be delived from our mortal bodies and will put on one which is immortal.

And I have already shown that those who received the Hebrew epistles were expecting an imminent appearance of the Lord Jesus and that can only mean that they were expecting to be caught up with the Lord in the air with all the other members of the Body of Christ.

Hi Jerry , and is 1 Thess 4:13 the SAME as your Heb verse , IMMINENT ?


So when is Matt 24:27-31 also say IMMINENT ??

Its been 2000 year since Christ death and cometh as a thief in the night !!

Your passage in Hebrewa does not say they SHALL BE CAUGHT UP ?

Point it out to me ?

dan p

 

[DAN P]

As usual, you are being wooden in your approach.

One sense of the word Rapture has to do with that suddenly catching up or snatching a thing up or away.

As when a bird of prey, or raptor, swoops down upon its intended prey, snatches it up, and away to its intended place for it (its dinner table).

Bird of prey

A bird of prey, predatory bird, or raptor is any of several species of bird that hunts and feeds on rodents and other small animals. The term raptor is derived from the Latin word rapere, meaning to seize or take by force.[1] Birds of prey have keen vision that allows them to detect their prey during flight, as well as powerful talons and beaks.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_prey

raptor (n.)
c. 1600, "ravisher, abductor," from Latin raptor "a robber, plunderer, abductor, ravisher," agent noun from past participle stem of rapere "to seize" (see rapid). Ornithological use is from 1873 (1823 in Latin plural Raptores).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/raptor

rapture (n.)
c. 1600, "act of carrying off," from Middle French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura "seizure, rape, kidnapping," from Latin raptus "a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape" (see rapt). Earliest attested use in English is of women and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which word is a cognate of this. Sense of "spiritual ecstasy, state of mental transport" first recorded c. 1600 (raptures).

https://www.etymonline.com/word/rapture

Rom. 14: 5, Dan - in memory of Rom. 5: 6-8 - in each our stead.

Hi Danoh , and still have not shown there is a Greek word called RAPTURE , can you ??

You tried to STUDY it through and FAILED !!\\

You are the HYBRID ?

dan p