Well if 'christian fruit' is akin to calling people 'faggots, homos and molestors' then no, I guess i'm not gonna be displaying much of it.....
What if they are? Call them painters instead?
You voted for Mike Dukakis didn't you?
Well if 'christian fruit' is akin to calling people 'faggots, homos and molestors' then no, I guess i'm not gonna be displaying much of it.....
What if they are? Call them painters instead?
You voted for Mike Dukakis didn't you?
If you think that it's somehow edifying and fruits of the spirit to call posters faggots and child molestors then I'm sorry there isn't some part of you that isn't embarrassed about it yourself, how on earth you can justify it as 'christian' is equally bemusing and sickening
Red77 said:oh come on pastor, I think we're both aware that this is hardly anything that causes me a problem or that I have to 'squirm' around, I've been upfront with my answer on this several times before, YES, I believe Hitler will be redeemed,
Nick M said:Should we speak nicely of Adolph Hitler? If not, why?
PastorKevin said:According to Univeralists like Red77 we will be spending eternity fellowshiping with him, so we better go ahead and practice now. :think:
Red77 said:you must know that the 'Hitler' analogy is a strawman
Red77 said:YES, I believe Hitler will be redeemed
It's a bit disingenuous of you to try and reverse the obvious emotional fallacy of the 'Hitler' argument
as it's invariably ET'ers who try to use this sterotyped argument to justify their doctrine of nonending suffering, you've done it several times in the battle talk thread, and it will always backfire on you and anyone else who attemps to use this strawman,
And as for what is so 'clear' to you this was refuted in the battle royale,
in fact when those of you who ascribe to ET can agree with each other on just what it is instead of the myriad opinions on the subject then perhaps then you'll have soom rome to talk about why it's so "clear"....
Um, I do not need your approval as to what views I air or who I agree and disagree with on here,
people are free to agree/disagree/be indifferent towards anything i write and express,
and fyi I happen to get on and agree with a great many christians on this board thanks,
And excuse me if I find there to be more pressing matters in the world than a fixation with homosexuality and the private sexual lives of others
I will not pretend to believe that I think that executing adulterers and homosexuals under a mosaic law is a primary concern of christianity today,
doing something towards those who are in suffering, poverty, disease and misery is something that should be a bit more important as far as I'm concerned...
And if you think I dont condemn certain behaviours then think again,
I condemn anything that violates a human or animal
which includes murder,rape, violent abuse and molestation among other things, and I've said as much on this forum PLENTY of times....
In fact I'll ask you here and now as I've asked you several times in the past as to whether the ad homming and blatant lies that are aired on here from time to time are in any way acceptable of edifying christian behviour?
Is it christian to call people 'faggots, homos and molestors' pastor?
i submit that it isn't, what say you?
if you agree then perhaps you would be equally up to the task of rebuking those 'bible believing christians' who induldge in it
.....If you don't agree i would love to hear your justification for it....
Well if 'christian fruit' is akin to calling people 'faggots, homos and molestors' then no, I guess i'm not gonna be displaying much of it.....
It's only justified if its true, you dork.
See how that worked? :freak:
Thank you for admitting the truth. Your own words condemn you. :dunce:You are not a Christian but a wolf in sheeps clothing - leading as may as you can to Hell!:shut:
I rebuke you Red! You are an evil Dog on your way to Hell! :noid:
Repent and turn back to the Living God!
You 'rebuke' me after having called me a child molestor? Have you repented of that lie yet?
and pastor, I will address your post when I have some more time....
Those who need to think in order to respond to the truth have only lies that require such extension.
The only way to respond to the truth honestly is to say, "You are right. I want to change. Help me."
That you can respond to the truth of my statement with a lie is simply a matter of practiced delusion and the fact that you think volume = content.
Nice try in your attempt to weasel out of it, but my point is proven. This is not a straw man in the least Red. Let's go back and examine what brought it up again.
NICK asked:
To which I responded:
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So NOW you say:
Which was the whole point after all. You cannot deal with cool simple and straight facts, because your theology is a mess. You are a phony Christian Red.
The above statement alone should reveal to any serious believer who loves the Lord that you are morally and spiritually bankrupt. The only way Hitler or any man could be redeemed is by trusting in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross.
You teach a phony Gospel, and as I said before, I don't envy you on judgment day when God makes you give an account for all of the lies and deceit that you have spread. You will be the one fellowshiping with Hitler in eternity Red, if you don't repent. And it won't be in Heaven.
Nothing need be reversed. Your own words do just fine in revealing the wickedness of your views.
Nothing backfires when one stands on the firm truth of the Word of God. The wages of sin is in fact death. Those who don't have their names written in the Book of Life face the 2nd death. The Bible is clear. Your theology is twisted, your "Nicer than God" act is doing nothing to help people. You are misleading them to an eternity apart from God, and proudly doing it. You are deceived and you are a deceiver. But you don't have to be. There is still time to turn from your wicked ways!
Well the polls from the Battle Royale said otherwise. The votes were overwhelmingly in our favor. I say this not to brag, but to point out yet another fallacy. But this thread is not about the Battle Royale, or about Universalism. The only reason it was brought up is because it is the very epitome of "Nicer than God".
All serious evangelical Bible students agree that the separation from God in the Lake of Fire is eternal. While there may be some differing views on what form the punishment will take, there is no disagreement on that point, so this argument of yours is actually the perfect example of a strawman argument.
Try and use the fact that different people have different views on what the form of the punishment is, but dismiss the fact that we all agree it is eternal and that the Scriptures are clear there is no return from the Lake of Fire, the 2nd Death is final, Satan and the fallen angels don't get out, the Beast, False Prophet, and all those whose names aren't in the Book of Life don't get out. I could go on and on showing how once again you are distorting and twisting the truth to meet your own humanistic purposes. But what would be the point. You are stuck in your own little "Nicer than God" world, and until you are ready to embrace God's Word as authoritative and true, you will not believe.
It isn't a matter of what I approve of. It is a matter of what God approves of. He wrote that thing called, you know THE BIBLE, so that we could know exactly what He thinks of things such as homosexuality. You deny His Word at every turn and blindly defend the wicked. You are a cold-hearted person who thinks he is being loving and kind.
Why thank you for your permission oh high and mighty one. :chuckle: Am I free to disagree with your garbage theology? I bet you would like for me just to sit back and say, "Oh Red77 what a lovely day. Let's go lead some people to hell today. Let's stand up for abortionists, homosexuals, rapists, child molestors and the like. Let's condemn the death penalty because it's really mean and cruel, and we don't want to do it God's way, we want a Nicey-Nice way of doing things."
Sorry. Won't happen!
Really? I don't see it very often. In fact I cannot recall you agreeing with a Biblical position in any post that I have read of yours anytime recently. I bet the "Christians" you agree with so frequently are those who share your same "Nicer than God" approach and won't even condemn a wicked and evil man like Hitler!
The point is made. You deny and disagree with what God says on the subject, but you're too much of a coward to admit it.
"Nicer than God" in action folks!
Nothing wrong with helping the suffering and the sick. But then again, what is your point? You can help the suffering and sick and also be theologically sound and grounded in the Word of God.
:think: again........
Ah so now animals are equal with humans? Typical liberal position. Animals have rights too, I agree. They have the right to be killed and eaten. God says all of His creatures are good for food. Red77 is "Nicer than God" again.
Really? Why is it that all we ever seem to hear from you is defending the wicked in thread after thread after thread. And what exactly do you condemn them to Red?
You are against the death penalty for those who deserve it. You are against them receiving the 2nd death just as God said they should. You are against all of the basic standards of righteousness and holiness God has set forth in His Word. What do you condemn the rapist or the child molestor to Red?
:idea: Wait I know:
Red77: Ok Mr. Child Molestor, that was really wrong of you to do. Let's go out and have a nice vegetarian dinner together and talk about how you shouldn't do that again. That was a big no-no!
It depends on the situation and the circumstances. There is nothing wrong with identifying the wicked as being wicked. If that is what you are talking about, then I would side with those who identified you as wicked, because you are wicked!
If it is true, then absolutely. I thought you were against the Law by the way Red. Why are you trying to put the Christians that you say said these things to you back under Law? They aren't Christians because they talked to you in a way you didn't like? Is that in the Bible? Please show me where it is.
Jesus spoke this way!
Further than this: Jesus called people things like "Brood of Vipers", "Fools" and "Dogs". I don't think you understand the significance of those insults because we are 2,000 years removed from the culture they lived in.
To Jewish people of that day, the term "Dog" was about as low down an insult as could possibly be uttered. It was WORSE than using the words you stated above. To them the "Dogs" weren't the little furry pets that we have in our homes. They were disgusting and filthy animals that ravaged the countryside. In the context of Jesus' insults and calling them "Dogs" he was using a harsh and insulting word to get their attention. Were they really dirty, mangy, filthy dogs? I guarantee you the Pharisees who were sitting around plotting Jesus' death sounded EXACTLY like you! 'How is HE from God if he calls us dogs and fools?'
The very methods that Jesus used to get the Pharisees' attention and called out their wickedness might well have been done to you to serve the same purpose. Perhaps you should consider this!
I submit it is using the same type of method Jesus used on the particularly difficult, proud, and obstinate people of his day. In other words, the "Red77's" of his day!
[/QUOTE]COLOR="sienna"]Would you rebuke Jesus for calling people "Dogs" when they weren't really dogs? And before you say "Oh it's just a dog", I HIGHLY suggest you do a quick little study on the term "Dogs" and what it meant to the people of Jesus' day. Then let me know if you think what they said was unjustified!
And now...BACK to our regularly scheduled TOL debate.[/COLOR]