Ben, have you read "Brothers" about the Jews from Poland during the pograms? It has nothing to do with Christ. Just about the Jews.
No Intojoy, I have not read it. I'll try to google it.
I love the Jews bro. Even those who deny the Messianic claims of Yeshua presented by His Jewish disciples.
Sorry pal, but I don't believe Yeshua ever claimed to be the Messiah or that even his disciples presented him as such. Evidence? The Sect of the Nazarenes organized on behalf of Jesus by the Apostles was headquartered in Jerusalem and preached their gospel without being bothered by the local Jews. When Paul brought his gospel to Jerusalem he was almost killed for preaching idolatry in Jerusalem. (Acts 9:20,29)
It is unfortunate there aren't any Messianic Jews on TOL that can communicate on your level of intellect. There are many Gentiles that can and do but these believers do not present Yeshua from the Jewish context in which He came and died and rose from the dead.
Sorry again Intojoy, but Yeshua according to the above could never be from the Jewish context but from the context of Paul's gospel. Bodily resurrection is not according to Judaism the Faith of Jesus.
They present what they know and have been taught of which I mostly agree with but it lacks contextual arguments that favor Yeshua as your/our legitimate King Messiah.
Yeshua was not our legitimate Messiah. If you read Habakkuk 3:13, "The Lord comes forth to save His People; to save His anointed one." That's the word for the collective Messiah, "The Lord's anointed one."
If you want to challenge your thoughts against these of those trained up in Judaism I recommend Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum, and Gary Derechinsky.
I have a few ones discussing the matter through my private email. If there is a way to contact these two men you mention above, I'll be more than happy to comply.
Both from Polish Jewish historical cruelty handed out by "Christians". Gary's grandfather was conscripted by the Red Army. Many Jewish people who survived that horrific experience before hitler would not share with their families what happened there. They did not share their experience because they felt guilt to have seen their families slaughtered by the so called "Christians" while they survived.
I have read a lot about the Holocaust and the Jewish persecutions in the Russian Pale but never about these two men.