Greg Jennings
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That passage refers to all people, not a specific group
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That passage refers to all people, not a specific group
Sorry, the number was meant as a joke.
As soon as the Renaissance and the Enlightenment began, ALL religions began to reform. In fact, both Christianity and Islam had no choice: change from the medieval model or die out.
Reformation was inevitable once the ancient theologies began to try and make their peace in a new, global, scientific world.
The ancients of the Bible lived in a three-tiered universe: Hell below the ground, life on earth with angels and demons, and a Heavenly vault or firmament above (with holes where the stars could be seen).
It's just a matter of time for the fundamentalists in both faiths eventually disappear completely.
Neither can exist in the world as it is today: a focus on human rights and dignity, liberty and justice for all and a turn away from other-worldliness (Heaven or 19 virgins) and a growing stewardship to Creation.
how do you know that?
Terrorism is the label given to people and groups who are fighting a great power with the only methods they have.
In this respect, the colonial armies of America could be defined as such, since the farmers and citizens did not "play fair" during the revolution. War culture during that time stipulated that armies march to a drum and advance in straight lines.
This was the British way.
The colonists, on the other hand, were not adverse to hide behind cover in the woods and shoot the British down like ducks.
The phenomenon of the African Somali pirates on the seas today. They use the tools of historical terrorism when they board large cargo ships.
They don't have the big ships, the big guns or the air power--so they use terror tactics to get what they want.
Greg Jennings
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Religion courses. And it's apparent from the text. It doesn't say any particular people, but instead "people" as a general statement. If it meant Muslims it would say "unbelievers" or at least "some people" and not generalize to include all people
Greg Jennings
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Yep. There's the dirty little secret about America (and most previously colonial countries): we won independence through terrorism. When you have an inferior force, guerrilla tactics are the best option
I think the "shadow side" of Middle Eastern terrorism is the use of American special forces instead of the usual combat troops.
The North Vietnamese were clearly using terrorist methods. The lion's share of attacks on America in the war theater was done by the people, the peasants.
Greg Jennings
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Why can't it be Russia? Or China? Or Arkansas?
you would have to explain the white and black horse
Greg Jennings
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One is plague, and I believe the other is famine if I remember correctly. The Red Horse is war
the color has nothing to do with what they have in their hand
mike_j_beaupre
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Yes. You do realize the book the choose as their faith says to kill infidels? You know that right?
And do YOU realize the book Christians choose as their faith says in Revelation that Jesus will slaughter the unfaithful so that the blood will reach to the level of his horse's bridle for a distance of 200 miles?
Any Christian should know that, in my opinion.
Greg Jennings
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What?
Greg Jennings
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Not really. It has passages where Mohammed commands his followers, as in the people alongside him in that time in history, to kill others. It doesn't command Muslims to kill now any more than Abraham commands Christians to kill now when he leads his people in slaughtering non-Jews
brewmama
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That's not true. All good Muslims are to follow the way of the prophet. Come on, that's well known!
I don't remember Abraham slaughtering non-Jews, especially as there weren't even Jews then.
Greg Jennings
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And the prophet told his followers post-conquest to live peacefully alongside their neighbors and allow them to worship as they choose. Just like David, he was violent when he needed territory and peaceful when it was won
I'll give Abraham a pass since he only killed to save his relatives from captivity. But you'd be hard-pressed to find a huge difference between Mohammed's actions and those of the Israelite kings