Redskins

[Town Heretic]

I wrote: You can call research magic and empirically demonstrable facts bias and the totality of informed opinion and authority pc, because in the kingdom of your mind anything is possible that you're willing to accept. But that will never make it reasonable, rational or right.

Yet another "Likewise, I'm sure" moment.

Except you haven't presented research or fact, only waved hands at them and laughed loudly. You're long on rhetoric and suspicion and short on fact and support.

In this thread I've noted historic evidence, the court's opinion (with links), the large contingent of Native Americans opposed to any use of the word and the larger, majority of Native Americans who are offended by the use outside of their group (also linked) along with a fairly uncomplicated argument. None of those things have been empirically challenged.

Suspicion without reason is just an excuse.

I wrote: To everyone else...if you ever find yourself offending people you don't mean to you might want to stop doing that, or stop saying you don't mean to.

:darwinsm:

Well, sure. I said my piece to you and given you don't appear to have been the audience, I wanted to remind the rest what my revolutionary stand was: stop doing what you say it is you don't mean to do.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

The overwhelming evidence that this inane topic is driven by the banality of intolerant politically correct hyper-liberal idiots is...

My home state, Oklahoma, means "Red People" in the Choctaw language. If the libtards can't start there, it's a sham of choosing a high-profile target to advance an agenda.

As a man with 25% Cherokee blood coursing through my veins, this is stupid and I'd love it if every college and professional team of every sport would change their names to Redskins in proud honor of the unrelenting strength and courage of Native Americans.

Liberal socialist tripe produces a culture of over-sensitive entitled victims. It's everywhere and it's intolerance masquerading in the guise of demanded tolerance.

Satan himself worships liberal morons. His desire is to be just like them some day.

 

[rocketman]

The overwhelming evidence that this inane topic is driven by the banality of intolerant politically correct hyper-liberal idiots is...

My home state, Oklahoma, means "Red People" in the Choctaw language. If the libtards can't start there, it's a sham of choosing a high-profile target to advance an agenda.

As a man with 25% Cherokee blood coursing through my veins, this is stupid and I'd love it if every college and professional team of every sport would change their names to Redskins in proud honor of the unrelenting strength and courage of Native Americans.

Liberal socialist tripe produces a culture of over-sensitive entitled victims. It's everywhere and it's intolerance masquerading in the guise of demanded tolerance.

Satan himself worships liberal morons. His desire is to be just like them some day.

^THIS^ :BRAVO:

 

[rocketman]

With that said I move that we change the state of Oklahoma because it is offensive & insensitive. :chuckle:

 

[Town Heretic]

The overwhelming evidence that this inane topic is driven by the banality of intolerant politically correct hyper-liberal idiots is...

No, but your remarks are typical of someone who is less interested in fact and more in his political narrative.

My home state, Oklahoma, means "Red People" in the Choctaw language. If the libtards can't start there, it's a sham of choosing a high-profile target to advance an agenda.

Red people and, more to the point, Oklahoma itself doesn't have the history that "redskin" does. Neither does black, by way of.

As a man with 25% Cherokee blood coursing through my veins, this is stupid and I'd love it if every college and professional team of every sport would change their names to Redskins in proud honor of the unrelenting strength and courage of Native Americans.

Good for you. A minority of Native Americans agree with you and no one is suggesting you have to be offended. Did you grow up on a reservation? Can you pass for white or is your quarter more obvious? I only ask to get a feel for how you've come up among the majority and what you might or might not have been subject to.

Liberal socialist tripe produces a culture of over-sensitive entitled victims.

That's one perspective. And Jews are greedy is another. What they both have in common is a lack of serious factual, rational basis. They're reflections of an unfortunately general mindset that lends itself to skewed context.

It's everywhere and it's intolerance masquerading in the guise of demanded tolerance.

Nothing of the sort to match your objective support.

Satan himself worships liberal morons.

No, I think he rather loves those who wrap themselves in the Holy but act as though they never got around to reading the manual when it comes to how we are to treat one another.

His desire is to be just like them some day.

As with conservatives, there are good an ill, honest and good and less so. The sort of person who is comfortable with overly broad stereotypes is exactly the sort of person I'd expect to be comfortable with this sort of thing.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

No, but your remarks are typical of someone who is less interested in fact and more in his political narrative.

Red people and, more to the point, Oklahoma itself doesn't have the history that "redskin" does. Neither does black, by way of.

Good for you. A minority of Native Americans agree with you and no one is suggesting you have to be offended. Did you grow up on a reservation? Can you pass for white or is your quarter more obvious? I only ask to get a feel for how you've come up among the majority and what you might or might not have been subject to.

That's one perspective. And Jews are greedy is another. What they both have in common is a lack of serious factual, rational basis. They're reflections of an unfortunately general mindset that lends itself to skewed context.

Nothing of the sort to match your objective support.

No, I think he rather loves those who wrap themselves in the Holy but act as though they never got around to reading the manual when it comes to how we are to treat one another.

As with conservatives, there are good an ill, honest and good and less so. The sort of person who is comfortable with overly broad stereotypes is exactly the sort of person I'd expect to be comfortable with this sort of thing.

Tripe and twattage.

And you might want to access any actual polls of Native Americans before mindlessly presuming majority or minority.

But that's irrelevant anyway. Grooming and indulging absurd entitled victim mentalities is another part of the distraction and cultural engineering by the FALSE TWO-PARTY system.

So much for it being about "my" politics.

Both my great grandmothers lived on reservations, as did a number of my other preceding and succeding relatives.

All this commentary is just feeding the stupid machine of inane rhetoric as false dialectic for consensus.

Even in the hardest of times, "racIAL" is not inherently "racIST". The team name is one of honor, just as "Braves", "Chiefs", "Warriors", and others are with similar mascots.

It's all playing into the hands of the culture-sculpters, and you're one of their results. It's all just an endless process of Hegelian Dialectic as Thesis and Antithesis for Synthesis.

You must be SO pround to be a mindless minion of the system, regurging the new and ever-changing status quo of acquiescence to the lowest common human denominator.

Satan worships you and your peers as his own image, and you don't even know it.

 

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Tripe and twattage.

his old law firm

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

I have a solution

the Washington Redskins, who chose the team name based on its association with a class of people known as proud, fierce, strong warriors, should make it unequivocally clear that they are not referring to the whiny complainers with easily hurt feelings

problem solved :idunno:

Not for the whiney-bunned hypnotized "victims".:cigar:

 

[resurrected]

Not for the whiney-bunned hypnotized "victims".:cigar:

well, no

they'd have to find something else to whine about

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

his old law firm

Ha!:banana::thumb:

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

well, no

they'd have to find something else to whine about

Oh, there's plenty more where that came from, and in spades. It's just ludicrous.

 

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... and in spades...

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

LOL. In the modern era of patterning man's logos by every means imaginable, even such an innocuous semantic will certainly be considered so as alleged "hate speech".

The manipulated are idiots, but those manipulating are definitely not.

 

[Town Heretic]

Tripe and twattage.

Your new motto?

And you might want to access any actual polls of Native Americans before mindlessly presuming majority and minority.

I've actually linked to them. Ten percent object to the term in any context. Sixty some odd percent object to the term being used by those outside of the group. You can look back over my posts for the links.

But that's irrelevant anyway.

Not to my argument, no.

Grooming and indulging absurd entitled victim mentalities is another part of the distraction and cultural engineering by the FALSE TWO-PARTY system.

The first part is subjective hooey, but I agree that our political system has been undermined and parties are mostly rhetoric among the same country club members, if that's your point at the end.

So much for it being about "my" politics.

I should have said political philosophy.

Both my great grandmothers lived on reservations, as did a number of my other preceding and succeding relatives.

I didn't ask that. And I can't help noticing you didn't answer what I did ask.

Even in the hardest of times, "racIAL" is not inherently "racIST".

I'd agree.

The team name is one of honor, just as "Braves", "Chiefs", "Warriors", and others are with similar mascots.

No it really isn't, as per the finding of the Court considering a great deal of evidence and debate over a good bit of time.

You must be SO pround to be a mindless minion of the system,

When someone won't answer fairly simple questions and immediately feels entitled to do what you just did there it's telling.

regurging the new and ever-changing status quo of acquiescence to the lowest common human denominator.

Actually what I said was: if you say you don't mean to offend a group and find yourself doing that you should probably stop. lain:

Satan worships you

That's just a profoundly ignorant thing to write on so many levels I can't even be offended. Like listening to you describe a mustache I don't have.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Your new motto?

I've actually linked to them. Ten percent object to the term in any context. Sixty some odd percent object to the term being used by those outside of the group. You can look back over my posts for the links.

Not to my argument, no.

The first part is subjective hooey, but I agree that our political system has been undermined and parties are mostly rhetoric among the same country club members, if that's your point at the end.

I should have said political philosophy.

I didn't ask that. And I can't help noticing you didn't answer what I did ask.

I'd agree.

No it really isn't, as per the finding of the Court considering a great deal of evidence and debate over a good bit of time.

When someone won't answer fairly simple questions and immediately feels entitled to do what you just did there it's telling.

Actually what I said was: if you say you don't mean to offend a group and find yourself doing that you should probably stop. lain:

That's just a profoundly ignorant thing to write on so many levels I can't even be offended. Like listening to you describe a mustache I don't have.

Your bogus subjective manipulated high-context-English conceptual pseudo-opinion is duly noted. You have no idea how you've been sub-cognitively violated.

When this comes full circle and Christians are "offending" everyone else as a majority by just breathing, you'll being crying or defecting from your alleged faith.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

I've actually linked to them. Ten percent object to the term in any context. Sixty some odd percent object to the term being used by those outside of the group. You can look back over my posts for the links.

And this is actually why I chucked out the bait.

There is NO amount of polling that could possibly have included a representative percentage of all Native Americans, which presents an even more monumental secondary challenge of determining such lineage by percentage and accurately polling those individuals or selectively screening them out.

Bogus.

 

[Town Heretic]

Your bogus subjective manipulated high-context-English conceptual pseudo-opinion is duly noted.

Did you mean to be ironic or are you just antsy to use that Word Power you got for Christmas?

You have no idea how you've been sub-cognitively violated.

You really did well in that one hundred level socioanthro, didn't you...

When this comes full circle and Christians are "offending" everyone else as a majority by just breathing,

Not to break your rant, but you don't appear to realize I haven't called for more than people, individually, acting in accord with their words.

you'll being crying or defecting from your alleged faith.

My faith is as real as your hostility. Let your no be no and your yes be yes...if you don't care if you offend, there you go. If you do, let your actions follow.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Did you mean to be ironic or are you just antsy to use that Word Power you got for Christmas?

I'm just literate, and I didn't need someone to help with a gift in celebration of Nimrod's offspring.

You really did well in that one hundred level socioanthro, didn't you...

Nah. But you've been well indoctrinated.

Not to break your rant, but you don't appear to realize I haven't called for more than people, individually, acting in accord with their words.

Words have intent. For something to be offensive, it would need some measure of intent. And culture is developing ultra-hyper-sensitivity to breed a constantly-offended society of morons.

My faith is as real as your hostility.

It's not hostility. It's reality.

Let your no be no and your yes be yes...if you don't care if you offend, there you go. If you do, let your actions follow.

I didn't name the NFL team. I don't use "Redskin" in any form other than to refer to a sports team. So your toothless barking is in vain. I'm just pointing to the cultural engineering that SHOULD be obvious to anyone who professes to be in Christ.

And if I remember, you're one of the "Christians" who compromises God's righteousness to pander to homosexuality and other issues like so many others.

There's a better way to deal with such things than with the forced Henotheism of (alleged) tolerance OR hate-mongering Westboroism. But nobody could possibly change your hypnotized patterns of thought at this point.

 

[Town Heretic]

I'm just literate

And apparently very, very interested in letting me know that. Okay, you're literate. I hold a doctorate in the law. Now let's put away the tape and talk about things that matter.

...Words have intent. For something to be offensive, it would need some measure of intent.

Rather, they have meaning. How we use them illustrates our intent.

Here's the obvious hypothetical unhorsing your advance: I teach a kid to yell the n-word. The kid has no idea what that means, but at the kindergarten the next day he begins yelling it as I've taught him. He offends a great many people. He didn't intend to, yet the offense is genuine.

Now once he realizes what he's done his intent comes into play in terms of what he does or refrains from doing next.


And you still haven't answered those questions. The reasonable inference is that you weren't brought up on a reservation and can pass. That would understandably impact both how you see the term and how you identify with the dominant culture or its use.

It's not hostility. It's reality.

Every angry young man thinks so. Angry old men too. But words have meaning and how we craft them is a measure of that intent you were so keen on.

I didn't name the NFL team. I don't use "Redskin" in any form other than to refer to a sports team.

Never said you did. In fact, I said no one is attempting to tell you to be offended. If you aren't you aren't. Fine.

So your toothless barking is in vain.

Silly bit of hostile nonsense on your part, again.

I'm just pointing to the cultural engineering that SHOULD be obvious to anyone who professes to be in Christ.

Everyone has their own litmus. Mine is simpler. Who is Christ and what is that to you? If the answer is your lord and savior, God incarnate who died for your sins then whatever other craziness or mistake either of us may endure or hold, we're of the Body.

And if I remember, you're one of the "Christians" who compromises God's righteousness to pander to homosexuality and other issues like so many others.

Your memory is as poor as your judgment is rash. I've done nothing of the sort and like you have no idea what you mean by other issues, which is why I suspect you lacked particular teeth on it.

There's a better way to deal with such things than with the forced Henotheism of (alleged) tolerance OR hate-mongering Westboroism. But nobody could possibly change your hypnotized patters of thought at this point.

I'm sure that's impressive to someone with an undeclared major or concentration, but equating Henothesim with tolerance is an empty sleeve you've yet fill. And, again, you're the one who seems knee deep in your own dogma here and I'm the guy who's saying your words and actions shouldn't war with one another.

 

[resurrected]

And if I remember, you're one of the "Christians" who compromises God's righteousness to pander to homosexuality...

indeed he is


and more and more people are starting to realize it