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Are they the same thing?
ECT Redemption? Salvation?
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They are different, but related. To redeem is to turn in something for something else. In our world, money. Those of us in Christ will get a body that does not covet. Those born of God do not sin.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
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CR. Didn't you just ask this in the Other Thread .
Boaz Redeemed Ruth by having his NEXT OF KIN take off his shoe and give it to him.
- just like he had the Apostles take off their SHOES in washing the Apostles feet.
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- Salvation did not come from JESUS until he TOOK OFF HIS LIFE AND GAVE IT TO US.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Boaz Redeemed Ruth by having his NEXT OF KIN take off his shoe and give it to him.
- just like he had the Apostles take off their SHOES in washing the Apostles feet.
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- Salvation did not come from JESUS until he TOOK OFF HIS LIFE AND GAVE IT TO US.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
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By that you are saying Jesus turned to something else..I don't follow since we both know he did the redeeming.
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So why not explain why, or don't really know?
before redemption
we could not be saved
after redemption
we might be saved
Ephesians 1:7King James Version (KJV)
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
to be saved
we must be redeemed which is already done
we must repent
we must forgive others
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They are exactly the same thing !
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I didn't say that. However you non-Bible believers should make yourself familiar with the Bible before making stupid comments like this.
The Logic became flesh. He changed. And then he was resurrected into a glorified body that cannot die. In doing so, he changed again.
Note, his righteous nature did not change, and it never will.
Paul says to you "go to hell". You pervert.
Martin Luther; after he finally understood Romans 1:17 in its intended sense, found no recourse but to turn from this that you assert.
I have to believe that you believe your understanding is sound.
But if it is not, then you are perverting, or twisting the Scripture to your understanding.
Granted, the same could be said about, say, my own understanding, or any one else's that differs from your own for that matter.
But we can not all so differ so sharply and yet all be sound in this issue.
My own basis is a very exhaustive and thorough analysis of Romans 1 thru 5. One I have not only been at for many years now, but one that I both continue, and continue to greatly enjoy.
An objective one, thus how I am able to address you on this issue right here and now without animosity.
Animosity is not only a worthless distraction but should cause one to pause and reflect on what other forms of bias might they do well to self-examine themselves on, towards seeking some means of ridding oneself of same.
Respectfully, unless you yourself are able to lay out Romans 1 thru 5 on this issue in your own person, then you can not possibly have understood this issue properly.
I encourage you to take some time out and read those five chapters at least a good two dozen times through.
Not pausing for what often only appears to jump out at one (far too often nothing more than confirmation bias) but simply just reading straight thru those five chapters that many times, that you might then have much information as a greater whole, from which to then attempt to sort out this issue.
For should you later turn out to have been off in your understanding - in the afterlife - then will have been no place to have found out.
Such is the case with all sides.
The best to you in this...
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And people question how I can say what Paul said "let you be accursed"....
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Huh?? Surely you can say whatever you are trying to say, better than that?
I want know how you came up with your perverted understanding that "Logic" was the Word of God made flesh. One can rightly assume from that you believe Logic was God? Certainly you must believe that as well. So what commentary have you sold yourself to?