Real Science Friday: Stretching Out the Heavens

The Barbarian

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I just read a little about Evo Devo in an article from NOVA.
I tried to tell you that this is how you can get a multitude of different species from just a few genes back on a thread about a month ago.

No, and if you go back there, you will find that you were talking about a few switches turning things off and on that already existed. That is not what evo-devo is about, and I find it hard to believe that you don't know it.

You would have none of it. Now, that the same idea is repackaged by someone you respect, and calls it darwinian evolution, you buy it lock, stock and barrel.

No. You either don't understand what it is, or more likely, you realize your original claim was wrong, and you're trying to rewrite your history here.

This is intellectual dishonesty at its worst.

No kidding. Shame on you. Evolutionary development does not assert that speciation is the result of switching things off and on. It's about the modification of developmental genes to produce new functions and new taxa. "Reading a little" about a scientific theory is probably the most effective way of embarrassing yourself in a discussion like this.

Do this; investigate the way that homobox genes for limbs in vertebrates have been modified by mutations over time, and see why it's much, much more than flipping switches. If you want to oppose science, it would be best if you learned some more about it.

Edit: Start here:
Comparative analyses of Hox gene expression and regulation in teleost fish and tetrapods support the long-entrenched notion that the distal region of tetrapod limbs, containing the wrist, ankle and digits, is an evolutionary novelty. Data from fossils support the notion that the unique features of tetrapod limbs were assembled over evolutionary time in the paired fins of fish.
http://science.kennesaw.edu/~mdavi144/Publications_files/Davis2007b.pdf

Could save you some future embarrassment.
 

The Barbarian

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Sod seems to be waving the white flag a lot on this one. Once is enough for us to know you don't have anything to offer, Sod.
 

The Barbarian

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I don't get it.

Let's just say you're boring everyone again, Sod. As much as the evil Barbarian fascinates you, I just don't have that kind of attraction for most people here.

Think of something on-topic, um?
 

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RSF: Stretching Out the Heavens

This is the show from Friday, December 23rd 2011.

SUMMARY:



* Anti-evolutionary Eels, Next-generation Band-Aids, Egyptian Blue, Dawkins Color Vision Challenge, Threes, and Black Holes in a Young Universe: Real Science Friday co-hosts Fred Williams and Bob Enyart discuss more great news stories from the winter 2012 edition of Creation magazine. And the guys reply to a listener who asks why would a star die and collapse if the universe is only thousands of years old.

* Eels Haven't Changed in an Allegedly 200 Million Years: A species of eel discovered in the South Pacific shows stasis, the primary expectation of the creationist, rather than evolutionary change, the expectation of the atheist and of theistic evolutionists.

* New Band-Aids Designed Without Glue By Copying the Gecko Toe: It's about time human engineers got around to reverse engineering the adhesiveness of the gecko's feet in order to manufacture a better Band-Aid. The Band-Aid was invented in 1920, making it eleven years older than the Big Bang which was invented in 1931. See the series of enlargements in the gecko feet image to get an idea of how God used form rather than glue to enable geckos to walk on walls.



* Post-Show Note: Real Science Friday is looking for a sketch artist!
Help us create the RSF Dawkins Color Vision Challenge! Similar to our PZ Myers Trochlea Challenge (for which PZ honestly answered, "I don't know"), Bob and Fred are constructing a similar challenge but this time for Richard Dawkins, and regarding a different aspect of the alleged evolution of vision. The guys are hoping to get an artist to volunteer to sketch their challenge, and also, they're eager to get comments and constructive criticism emailed to them on the challenge itself.

* Egyptian Blue and the Three Primary Colors: The ancient Egyptian chemists were brilliant materials engineers, and their effort to create a true blue pigment was stunning in its sophistication. Interestingly, there are three primary colors in pigments just as there are three primary colors in light waves.

* Threes Everywhere: The number three reflected in the Trinity and throughout Scripture turns the Christian's attention toward the creation to see space existing in three dimensions, height, width, and length, as does time in past, present and future. The electromagnetic force operates in positive, negative, and neutral, and in light waves, red, green, and blue blend into the hues of the rainbow whereas and in pigment the three primary colors are red, yellow, and blue. We human beings on this third planet from the Sun experience matter primarily in three states, solid, liquid, and gas. The strongest shape for building is the triangle. Writers often give three examples and artists group in threes as in interior design, sculpting, and even movie directors, as they have the word trilogy (1, 2, 3) but no word for any other number of films. Photographers use the rule of thirds and genetic scientists discovered that the language of DNA uses only three-letter words. And so we humans are body, soul, and spirit (1 Thes. 5:23), made in the image of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.



Today’s Resource: Have you browsed through our Science Department in our online store? Check out especially Walt Brown’s In the Beginning and Bob’s interviews with this great scientist in Walt Brown Week! You’ll also love Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez’ Privileged Planet (clip), and Illustra Media’s Unlocking the Mystery of Life (clip)! You can consider our BEL Science Pack; Bob Enyart’s Age of the Earth Debate; Bob's creation/evolution debate that hits on Junk DNA with famous evolutionist Dr. Eugenie Scott (see description below); and the superb kids' radio program Jonathan Park: The Adventure Begins!



Sounds like a good show Jeff!

Thanks for posting it!
 
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