Public shaming of drug addicts - Do you think its a deterant to drug use?

[ok doser]

Fentanyl crisis: Drug overdoses claim unprecedented 914 lives in B.C. in 2016 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/overdose-death-statistics-2016-1.3941224

execution of drug dealers - swift, harsh and public

 

[rexlunae]

Of course though, the liberal answer to this crisis is to create drug use safe spaces:

Because it's the most effective policy at actually mitigating the harm.

Seattle, King County move to create 2 safe sites for drug users



I wonder when we will be getting safe spaces for rape and murder?

Drug use is self-destructive, not in itself an attack on another. Moving it off the street and into a controlled environment, you can reduce the impact both on the addict, and on the people they might be in a position to hurt.

What do you propose?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Because it's the most effective policy at actually mitigating the harm.

Drug use is self-destructive, not in itself an attack on another. Moving it off the street and into a controlled environment, you can reduce the impact both on the addict, and on the people they might be in a position to hurt.

What do you propose?

I propose that we make drunkenness (not drinking itself, but getting drunk) and getting high illegal.
kgov.com/pot

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[rexlunae]

I propose that we make drunkenness (not drinking itself, but getting drunk) and getting high illegal.

Why? What do you think this is going to accomplish?

 

[ok doser]

Why? What do you think this is going to accomplish?

maybe save some of those 50,000 lives:

NEW YORK — More than 50,000 Americans died from drug overdoses last year, the most ever. The disastrous tally has been pushed to new heights by soaring abuse of heroin and prescription painkillers, a class of drugs known as opioids. Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher than the number of gun homicides, according to government data released Thursday. Deaths from synthetic opioids, including illicit fentanyl, rose 73 percent to 9,580. And prescription painkillers took the highest toll, but posted the smallest increase. Abuse of drugs like Oxycontin and Vicodin killed 17,536, an increase of 4 percent. https://www.statnews.com/2016/12/09/opoid-overdose-deaths-us/

 

[JudgeRightly]

Why? What do you think this is going to accomplish?

Because of how destructive such actions are.

When you are drunk or high, you lose control of your faculties.

From kgov.com/pot (and this applies to any drug or substance):

Gross negligence has legal consequences. If the government tolerated gross negligence by, for example, allowing drunk driving, and someone is thereby injured, the governing officials (with all of America) would be guilty before God for the harm done. Thus God does not require society to put up with gross negligence. Therefore the government should ban recreational drugs and outlaw drunkenness from alcohol. (The federal government strong-armed the states to decriminalize drunkenness during the mid twentieth century so that today, unwisely, in the U.S., and in Australia and Britain, etc., it is no longer a crime to be drunk.)

The guy claiming a right to shoot a gun in a city park because he's a good shot and hasn't (yet) hit anyone is rightly overruled. Examples of the predictable consequences of the grossly negligent behavior of getting high or drunk include:
- stoned drivers who actually think they drive better when smoking pot
- people who've smoked a joint who then end up driving a car after they thought they were home for the night
- a stoner who laughs that his cigarette fell behind the couch which then starts a fire that kills a baby upstairs
- the pot mom who drives away with her baby on the roof of her car
- pornography consumed even by many who may not otherwise have viewed it
- crimes and sexual immorality committed (like Ted Bundy who couldn't violate his conscience to murder unless he was intoxicated)
- the dollars spent on emergency room services, etc., for domestic violence and other victims hurt by stoners
- the cost of treating the user for injuries and illnesses resulting from drug abuse and alcoholism.

So when the*normal use*of any substance makes a person intoxicated, then the government correctly outlaws and classifies that drug as a controlled substance. Thus while THC and related medications should be available on a prescription basis from a pharmacy, pot use should not be normalized and the marijuana drug should be illegal.

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[rexlunae]

maybe save some of those 50,000 lives:

NEW YORK — More than 50,000 Americans died from drug overdoses last year, the most ever. The disastrous tally has been pushed to new heights by soaring abuse of heroin and prescription painkillers, a class of drugs known as opioids. Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher than the number of gun homicides, according to government data released Thursday. Deaths from synthetic opioids, including illicit fentanyl, rose 73 percent to 9,580. And prescription painkillers took the highest toll, but posted the smallest increase. Abuse of drugs like Oxycontin and Vicodin killed 17,536, an increase of 4 percent. https://www.statnews.com/2016/12/09/opoid-overdose-deaths-us/

Or, more likely, since drug addicts can't just stop, it will likely drive them further underground, forcing them to use more illicit sources, and increase the death toll.

 

[rexlunae]

Because of how destructive such actions are.

No doubt. But, the question is, what is the best way to control the damage without impinging needlessly on personal freedom. There's a lot that's swept up in what you described, including fairly benign drinking at home, or responsible drinking in controlled contexts, and self-destructive addiction that most people don't intentionally get themselves into, and that is better mitigated with safe access to treatment.

 

[ok doser]

Or, more likely, since drug addicts can't just stop...

sure they can, if their supply is stopped

 

[JudgeRightly]

No doubt. But, the question is, what is the best way to control the damage without impinging needlessly on personal freedom. There's a lot that's swept up in what you described, including fairly benign drinking at home, or responsible drinking in controlled contexts, and self-destructive addiction that most people don't intentionally get themselves into, and that is better mitigated with safe access to treatment.

If you recall from above, I said that drinking is fine. Being drunk is not. Getting high is not.

You're only thinking of those who partake of such substances. What about the people around them? In the Bible, immediately after the Flood, Noah got drunk, and guess what happened? One of his sons, Ham, had sexual relations with Noah's wife, Ham's mother. Noah could not protect his wife from such acts because he was drunk.

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[rexlunae]

If you recall from above, I said that drinking is fine. Being drunk is not. Getting high is not.

Have you been drunk?

You're only thinking of those who partake of such substances. What about the people around them? In the Bible, immediately after the Flood, Noah got drunk, and guess what happened? One of his sons, Ham, had sexual relations with Noah's wife, Ham's mother. Noah could not protect his wife from such acts because he was drunk.

Ah, so you think that one should always be sober because they have a duty at all times to be ready to protect someone?

No thanks.

 

[kmoney]

Fentanyl crisis: Drug overdoses claim unprecedented 914 lives in B.C. in 2016 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/overdose-death-statistics-2016-1.3941224

execution of drug dealers - swift, harsh and public

I think I posted about this somewhere before but there is a corner in PA that wants to start labeling drug overdose deaths as homicide.

 

[ok doser]

that'd be a start

 

[Angel4Truth]

I think I posted about this somewhere before but there is a corner in PA that wants to start labeling drug overdose deaths as homicide.

Do you agree with that? If yes, break it down, would it apply to the doctor that started their scripts and if they chose to take more than described or start adding getting it on the street to fill in to make it to the next prescription?

Do you think doctors should heavily monitor those they give opiates to and when and how do the doctors become the killers?

 

[Angel4Truth]

that'd be a start

ok, you break it down also, under what conditions?

 

[rexlunae]

I think I posted about this somewhere before but there is a corner in PA that wants to start labeling drug overdose deaths as homicide.

There are probably a lot of cases where that's appropriate. Especially when dealers are selling adulterated product. This is one of the risks of not having a clean, reliable supply through a legal channel.

 

[Angel4Truth]

There are probably a lot of cases where that's appropriate. Especially when dealers are selling adulterated product. This is one of the risks of not having a clean, reliable supply through a legal channel.

You actually believe thats the answer to this scourge? To create a way for more people to partake?

 

[ok doser]

There are probably a lot of cases where that's appropriate. Especially when dealers are selling adulterated product. This is one of the risks of not having a clean, reliable supply through a legal channel.

a clean reliable supply of poison? :freak:

 

[Angel4Truth]

No doubt. But, the question is, what is the best way to control the damage without impinging needlessly on personal freedom.

They have the freedom to follow the law or go to jail.

You control the damage by putting them in jail or a psych ward, so they cant hurt themselves and others.

 

[ok doser]

Do you agree with that? If yes, break it down, would it apply to the doctor that started their scripts

nothing wrong with starting scrips

and if they chose to take more than described

doctors are responsible for monitoring patient's medication usage

or start adding getting it on the street

outside the doctor's control

Do you think doctors should heavily monitor those they give opiates to

yep

and when and how do the doctors become the killers?

when they fail to uphold their responsibilities