drbrumley
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That would be wonderful!
Not to an atheist.
That would be wonderful!
Glassjester, abortion rates have been steadily DECLINING in America, and you can google this fact yourself .
And it's a fact that before Roe v Wade, abortion rates were just as high as they were after . The only thing that changed was the legality and safeness of abortion. Roe was;t the beginning of abortion in America. It was the end of women dying from abortion .
Glassjester, abortion rates have been steadily DECLINING in America, and you can google this fact yourself .
And it's a fact that before Roe v Wade, abortion rates were just as high as they were after . The only thing that changed was the legality and safeness of abortion. Roe was;t the beginning of abortion in America. It was the end of women dying from abortion .
Killing unborn babies should never be *safe*.
That would be wonderful!
whose version of Christianity do you want them to teach?
just teach the history of religion
Condoms PREVENT unwanted pregnancies, which PREVENT abortions, and you object to schools doing this ? You can't have it both ways .
To be fair, I would prefer to exclude all religions, period (from the perspective of the government).Dig deep enough and you'll find that generally what right-wing Christians want is for the government (e.g., schools) to promote Christianity, to the exclusion of all other religions.
I think that is a bit of a stretch, but I will subscribe to the idea that what I like to call "general knowledge" (Who your Senator is, how many members are in the House of Reps, etc) is lacking for sure.Its also a waste of time and should be left to their families. Our kids sure kniw about sex, social justice, tolerance and all. But cannot name our President, vice president, dont know the three branches of government and cannot read. I went through that nonsense, so did my kids.
I believe the source you are citing jumped the gun. Here is a study that expands globally:Then why have abortion rates gone up with increased contraception use and availability?
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...o-contraception-does-not-reduce-abortions.cfm
Source.RESULTS: In seven countries—Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz Republic, Uzbekistan, Bulgaria, Turkey, Tunisia and Switzerland—abortion incidence declined as prevalence of modern contraceptive use rose. In six others—Cuba, Denmark, Netherlands, the United States, Singapore and the Republic of Korea—levels of abortion and contraceptive use rose simultaneously. In all six of these countries, however, overall levels of fertility were falling during the period studied. After fertility levels stabilized in several of the countries that had shown simultaneous rises in contraception and abortion, contraceptive use continued to increase and abortion rates fell. The most clear-cut example of this trend is the Republic of Korea.
whose version of Christianity do you want them to teach?
The catholics?
Mine?
Yours?
Benny Hinns?
this is where the issues comes with the state teaching religion, is that they cant please everyone and they don't tend to do it very well.
Except that wasn't our Founding Fathers original intent. But if we get to talking about the Founding Fathers you and your fellow secular humanists will start using words like "deists" and "slave owners", i.e. displaying your ignorance our of nation's Christian forefathers.
I'll gladly debate you anytime on the original intent of our Founding Fathers Mr. Fly. You can bring a representative from the American Civil Liberties Union along for backup if you wish.
The point is that your supposed "separation of church and state" isn't being strictly enforced as you claim it should be.
just teach the history of religion
Pass.
Then you're just ignorant about what that means. Look up "reasonable accommodation".
Reasonable accommodation applies to students at public schools as well. That's why when Muslim students requested they be able to pray at their prescribed times, the schools allowed them to use rooms that were otherwise empty at those times. And in the cases I've read about, the school officials made it clear that should any other religious group make a similar request, they would accommodate them as well.
Many of the Founding Fathers were not Christians but deists - in an age where the Church was closely aligned with the State why is there no mention of religion in the Constitution?aCW has a very good point here. The early American settlers educated their children that placed a heavy emphasis on the Bible, family, and the Christian life.
To be fair, I would prefer to exclude all religions, period (from the perspective of the government).
For First Amendment Purposes, Is Atheism a Religion?In School District of Abington Township v. Schempp, the U.S. Supreme Court recognized that "the State may not establish a religion of secularism in the sense of affirmatively opposing or showing hostility to religion, thus preferring those who believe in no religion over those who do believe."
Government advancement of nontheistic or atheistic religious viewpoints would thus presumably be subject to the same limitations of the Establishment Clause as the prohibition against endorsing traditional theistic religious viewpoints. Indeed, the Supreme Court has held that non-theistic viewpoints can qualify as religious when they "occupy the same place in [a person's] life as the belief in a traditional deity holds,"2 "occupy . . . 'a place parallel to that filled by God' in traditional religious persons,"3 or comprise "an aspect of human thought and action which profoundly relates the life of man to the world in which he lives."4 In one case, the U.S. Supreme Court specifically listed "Secular Humanism" as a religious viewpoint.5