Protestantism was falsified here on TOL

[annabenedetti]

Do you believe in the Real Presence of Him in the Eucharist?

For most of my life, yes. I do have my struggle with doubt and that hasn't gone away. But I've been back at Mass since the dispensation ended.

Still isn't relevant. There's precisely one valid way to be a Christian /Church pastor, and it's to be made one /appointed by an already valid pastor, the most recent link in an ancient chain that reaches back through time all the way to the hands of an Apostle.

Orthodoxy and Catholicism are the only options.

(There are as I'm sure you're aware a few tiny traditions that could sustain a claim to trace their pastoral lineage back to the Apostles but the Orthodox and Catholic churches are the big ones.)

Sure it's relevant. You're saying the only option lies via Catholicism or Orthodoxy on the one hand, and that you go with the Catechism in the other. The Catechism leaves open the hope for salvation for all Christians (much to the dismay of traditional Catholics who would choose the Baltimore Catechism, Pope Pius X's catechism or even Ott's Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma over that modernistic new catechism).

This is a conundrum. If you believe all that the magisterium teaches, who do you go with?

 

[JudgeRightly]

So you're denying that I'm calling you out on a potential false dichotomy?



Except that it's not.

Like Catholicism, Protestantism isn't a monolithic group.



Please don't lump brothers in Christ in with Atheists.



Because you say so?



And which view would that be? hmm?



No answer to what, exactly?

Can you ask the same question that was asked of him here? Or are you too lazy to make the argument?



:yawn:

Chickened out already?

I'll wait a bit longer....

 

[Idolater]

Do you believe in the Real Presence of [Christ] in the Eucharist?

For most of my life, yes. I do have my struggle with doubt and that hasn't gone away. But I've been back at Mass since the dispensation ended.

A simple yes or no will suffice.

...You're saying the only option lies via Catholicism or Orthodoxy on the one hand, and that you go with the Catechism in the other. The Catechism leaves open the hope for salvation for all Christians (much to the dismay of traditional Catholics who would choose the Baltimore Catechism, Pope Pius X's catechism or even Ott's Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma over that modernistic new catechism).

This is a conundrum. If you believe all that the magisterium teaches, who do you go with?

You've misread the topic of the thread. This isn't about salvation, this is about communion.

 

[Right Divider]

This isn't about salvation, this is about communion.

A term that the RCC uses in an UNBIBLICAL way.... what a surprise.

Paul is the ONLY writer in the Bible to use the term. Communion means "common union". It is about the body of Christ.
Peter never "performed communion".

 

[annabenedetti]

You've misread the topic of the thread. This isn't about salvation, this is about communion.

Do you believe in the Real Presence of Him in the Eucharist?

Still isn't relevant. There's precisely one valid way to be a Christian /Church pastor, and it's to be made one /appointed by an already valid pastor, the most recent link in an ancient chain that reaches back through time all the way to the hands of an Apostle.

Orthodoxy and Catholicism are the only options.

You're not talking only about communion.

 

[ok doser]

... link in an ancient chain that reaches back through time all the way to the hands of an Apostle.

That link was broken centuries ago.

I know the argument and I understand why some find it persuasive. But it ignores the fact that the chain is full of rotten and corrupt links.

 

[Right Divider]

That link was broken centuries ago.

I know the argument and I understand why some find it persuasive. But it ignores the fact that the chain is full of rotten and corrupt links.

It also ignores the fact that there is no mention of James being replaced in Acts 12. Important omission if it was a "real thing".

 

[JudgeRightly]

So you're denying that I'm calling you out on a potential false dichotomy?



Except that it's not.

Like Catholicism, Protestantism isn't a monolithic group.



Please don't lump brothers in Christ in with Atheists.



Because you say so?



And which view would that be? hmm?



No answer to what, exactly?

Can you ask the same question that was asked of him here? Or are you too lazy to make the argument?



:yawn:

Chickened out already?

I'll wait a bit longer....

Well, @Idolater?

 

[Idolater]

You're not talking only about communion.

Yes I am. What in your bolded bit did you think means that this is about salvation at all? What does a valid pastor have to do with salvation?

Do you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?

 

[Idolater]

That link was broken centuries ago.

Perhaps you're thinking about the confusion around who was the real pope for a couple of centuries? The unbroken chain I'm talking about is the chain of bishops. The pope's just one of thousands of bishops, and every one of them was made by a previously validly ordained bishop. The anti-popes and pseudo-popes and other confusion muddied the waters as to who validly sat in Peter's chair for a little while (in historical terms), but it did nothing to the lineage of all bishops as a group (included here are the Orthodox and Catholic bishops), who all can theoretically trace their ordination back to one of the Apostles. Even the Great Schism of 1054 didn't change anything wrt the process of making new bishops.

I know the argument and I understand why some find it persuasive. But it ignores the fact that the chain is full of rotten and corrupt links.

It's full of sinners, it's full of immoral men and violent crimes, but the chain itself is not corrupt at all. The office of a bishop (cf. 1st Timothy 3:1) was established by the Apostles and that institution or office hasn't even paused let alone been corrupted throughout all these many unfortunately fractious centuries. A (Catholic or Orthodox) bishop today is the same as the bishops in the New Testament. Same office, same functions.

 

[Idolater]

That would be the Roman Catholic Church that has been so diligently covering up pedophilia for decades upon decades?

Sounds pretty retarded to me

That would be the one.

I've got another thread for that.

The pedophilia

For me as a Catholic, this is my thought on the paedophilia The Catholic priesthood used to be a good place for a pedophile violent criminal absolutely immoral man to hide out, and avoid justice. If there were criminal naïveté, then the other priests were guilty of that, but criminal naivete...

theologyonline.com

 

[Right Divider]

Perhaps you're thinking about the confusion around who was the real pope for a couple of centuries?

There never was a "pope". That's a just false religion calling your name.

There were twelve apostles for twelve tribes. Then there was also one apostle for one body.

 

[Clete]

Finito doneski DOA, in February 2016, over five years ago.

It was an impromptu battle royale debate, many participants (many of whom have ceased participating on TOL, which I don't think is coincidental), during which a group of Catholic users and an Orthodox user and a Noncatholic-Nonprotestant user, defeated every other Protestant view on the matter of the Real Presence of Christ in the (validly celebrated) Eucharist.

This thread's a hundred pages long, but you only have to read to like page four to see the end. Nobody, not a single Protestant, could argue the point. In this thread it was proven that the whole Church believed in the Real Presence going all the way back as far as we can tell.

the church

-18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter -19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven -peter got the keys -and -the power to bind and loose -that means he was in charge -someone must be in charge -that should be clear

theologyonline.com

That makes Catholicism and Orthodoxy the only two serious contenders for the real Church in the Bible.

 

[Right Divider]

False religion really warps peoples minds, doesn't it?

 

[Idolater]

There never was a "pope". That's a just false religion calling your name.

There were twelve apostles for twelve tribes. Then there was also one apostle for one body.

Try to stay on topic boys. I know it's tough.

Topic being: Your view of the Eucharist (which is that same view as all atheists) was homogenized in a blender and then poured down the sewer. Plenty of Dispensationalists participated in the debate.

And none of them could stop it.

Jesus Christ is Really Present in the Eucharist.

 

[annabenedetti]

Yes I am. What in your bolded bit did you think means that this is about salvation at all? What does a valid pastor have to do with salvation?

If non-Catholic/Orthodox ministers aren't valid pastors in your eyes, are they teaching valid truths? Salvational truth?

Do you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist?

I already answered. Why are you asking again?

 

[Gary K]

This thread looks to me like an example of the doctrine of probable opinion.

 

[Right Divider]

Try to stay on topic boys. I know it's tough.

I responded directly to a post of yours. Not too tough.
God never created a "pope", so any "succession" of that "position" is irrelevant nonsense.

Topic being: Your view of the Eucharist (which is that same view as all atheists) was homogenized in a blender and then poured down the sewer. Plenty of Dispensationalists participated in the debate.

And none of them could stop it.

Jesus Christ is Really Present in the Eucharist.

Baloney.

 

[Clete]

False religion really warps peoples minds, doesn't it?

I mean, I've seen bold claims before but that is a whopper!

WOW!

 

[Derf]

Jesus Christ is Really Present in the Eucharist.

All Protestants believe Christ is present in the Eucharist, just like we believe He is present in our other worship services.

Matthew 18:20 (KJV)
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

But if Christ is present only when a priest blesses the elements, it goes beyond what scripture tells us.