Proof Of God - Conscienciousness

[Jonahdog]

The proof that God exist is in the fact that spontaneous evolution of life is not possible in this universe. God evolved, then He created.

What did god evolve from? There was something before your god? What might that have been?

 

[CherubRam]

What did god evolve from? There was something before your god? What might that have been?

From the subatomic, the primordial Dark Matter. A type of nothing, because it has no atomic bonds to form anything. God created gravity and gravitons to form the atomic elements of this Universe.

 

[Desert Reign]

How do you view Romans 1:18-21 ?

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For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ for it is the power of God for salvation to every believer, both to Jew first and to Greek.

[/FONT] Paul opens up the main intent of the letter, which will be to show that Jews and Greeks are equal in the eyes of God. The only criterion for salvation is to believe. In the Roman church, there were both Jewish and gentile believers and we know from elsewhere in the New Testament that the Jewish believers considered themselves superior to the gentile believers. Paul refutes this vigorously in Romans. Not only is he not ashamed of the Gospel per se, but he is also not ashamed of preaching it to gentiles. Such a stance did indeed incur derision and opposition from Jews, both believers and not.
‘Power for salvation’ does not merely force something to happen but removes barriers and restores relationships. Belief does that because anyone can believe regardless of their background.
[FONT=&quot]Paul mentions Jews as first priority before gentiles because the message of salvation came to Jews first, not because of any innate superiority of Jews.

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For God’s justice is revealed in it from beginning to end through faith, as it is written “But the just one will live by faith”.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Habakkuk 2:4. God’s right way of doing things. The implication here is that keeping the law is not the right way of doing things. Hence there is no superiority of Jews over non-Jews.


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For God’s anger is revealed from heaven against every kind of human wickedness and injustice where men suppress the truth unjustly.

[FONT=&quot]In other words, justice is bigger than small-minded matters of distinctions between Jews and Greeks. The truth he is referring to here is not just any truth or truth in general but supremely the truth where God reveals himself.


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For the knowledge of God was clear to them for God made it clear to them.

[FONT=&quot]Perhaps Paul is just being tactful here and doesn’t want to spell out that it was the Jews that God had revealed himself to. He does eventually spell it out in ch. 2. It is not only to Jews, but Jews are who Paul has mainly in mind. ‘Them’ refers to those who suppress the truth unjustly. Paul is not saying that this applies to everybody but only to those who have certain knowledge of the truth and suppress that knowledge.


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For his characteristics, unseen from the creation of the world, are made clearly visible by his special works. These characteristics are both his eternal power and his divinity, so that they are without excuse.

This explains how the aforementioned persons came to have a knowledge of the truth and hence justifies God’s response to them.
This verse should not simply be translated ‘by the things he has made’ but ‘by his special works’. In the same way that ‘make-up’ in modern English doesn’t mean just anything that has been made up but rather the specific ‘facial cosmetics’, so poiema in Greek doesn’t mean ‘thing made’. Rather, it means poem or work of art. The Jew would have understood this as meaning the special things God did in Israel. This brings us back to the idea of outlawing any notion that Jews were superior. Those Jews who knew God because of his work in Israel yet suppressed that truth aren't excused, just because they are Jews.
There is little here to indicate that Paul is advocating a universalist position whereby the whole world is automatically suppressing truth because God has already manifested himself to them in creation, as most other translations imply.
This verse would rather state the opposite, namely that God’s attributes of eternal power and divinity are invisible and have been ever since the creation of the world. However, these attributes become visible when you see God express them by doing something concrete in the world. Indeed it is the believer's job to announce the message to all the world, to make known what was previously unknown and to make visible what was previously unseen. As Paul later says ‘How can they believe in him whom they have not heard?’ (Rom 10:14)
[FONT=&quot]Many people interpret this verse to mean that all mankind has been granted a revelation of God and therefore are worthy of judgement. However, Paul’s concern in Romans is not really with the issue of those who have never heard of God. One catches an idea of what he thinks about this in Acts 17:22-31 and there, there is no accusation against the ordinary Greeks along the lines of ‘You have had the chance to believe in God because he is manifested in creation’. Rather, Paul is sympathetic to them, quotes their own venerated literature and speaks of ‘times of ignorance’, exactly contradictory of the idea that they are without excuse because God had already revealed himself to them.


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For although they knew God they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks but their thoughts degenerated into nonsense and their foolish heart was darkened.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

Sure, explain your thoughts with chemistry and physics but a deity does not follow from there.

And yes, I was a believer at one time. Lots of religious education and Bible study.

Science can not tell me exactly where my thoughts are. I.E. an exact location in the brain. Logically, most here know that's because there is more than meets the eye.