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[Lon]

Well yes. Only a loser would want all men to be saved.

I didn't think that's what he was saying. I think he was saying if God wanted all men saved and didn't do it, then He wouldn't be very powerful etc.

Entertain that, perhaps for 2 moments: Can God save everybody if He wants to? Can He save someone who doesn't want to be saved?

If yes, why doesn't He?

If No, what prevents Him from being able to?

 

[Nick M]

I thought John W and STP were fundamental KJVO Baptists?

Not hardly. KJVO? Yeah, seems so. They are both bible believing MADists.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

John 12

30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.

He draws all people to him. You have been shown this over and over and over.

She's blinded by her own false doctrine! (Calvinism)

 

[Nick M]

I think he was saying if God wanted all men saved and didn't do it, then He wouldn't be very powerful etc.

Exactly. God wants all men saved, and they are not. People are free to reject him.

 

[Totton Linnet]

John 12

30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.

He draws all people to him. You have been shown this over and over and over.

Now is the judgement of this world ....And I, if I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all men unto Me...the cross is life for some but death to others

 

[Totton Linnet]

You're wrong Nang, one must first place their faith in Christ after hearing
the word preached, then the Holy Spirit cleanses them of all their sins, seals
them and indwells them! You've got it all reversed!

"You He made alive when you were dead in trespasses and sins...."is the gospel line. Dead men hear nowt and believe nowt. The new birth takes place first.

God doesn't consult us in the first birth and He doesn't consult us in the second. First He acts then He gets our agreement.

 

[Totton Linnet]

...ain't that just what a God will do?....you think He must first come and curtsy? and say "please may I if you don't mind very much?" you think God is an englishman?

 

[chrysostom]

Non-Trinitarian (e.g. "Unitarian, Momon, Monotheists, etc.")

meshak
csguy
freelight
keypurr
ktoyou
Kristo
Lazy Afternoon
Oatmeal
Rev. Testament

thanks nang
you have always been helpful in the past
and
I appreciate that

 

[zoo22]

catholic

annabenedetti
bucksplasher
CatholicCrusader
chrysostom
Cruciform
Evoken
Fisherofmen
InHope
punkforchrist
rbdeli
RC_Eagle
Sealeaf
Sheila B
Spitfire
The Barbarian
Traditio
zippy2006

You know full well that TruthSetsFree is Catholic.

 

[chrysostom]

unitarian

unitarian

unitarian

csguy
freelight
g_n_o_s_i_s
Gill White
Jedidiah
jerzy
keypurr
Kristo
ktoyou
Lazy Afternoon
meshak
Oatmeal
Pate

 

[chrysostom]

You know full well that TruthSetsFree is Catholic.

how could I forget?

 

[Vaquero45]

I didn't think that's what he was saying. I think he was saying if God wanted all men saved and didn't do it, then He wouldn't be very powerful etc.

Entertain that, perhaps for 2 moments: Can God save everybody if He wants to? Can He save someone who doesn't want to be saved?

If yes, why doesn't He?

If No, what prevents Him from being able to?

If God made man able to chose or reject salvation would that make Him a "big pathetic loser", or as you softened it, "not very powerful etc"? Hilston is well aware that that is what Open Theists believe.
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Can God save everybody if He wants to?

Yes.

Can He save someone who doesn't want to be saved?

Yes, although someone who didn't want to saved may not feel "saved" even if they were. But they could be spared from destruction if that's what we mean by saved.

If yes, why doesn't He?

Because that is not how He decided to make the world run. He could make these particular things happen easily, but instead He put the "choice" generally to us, under the circumstances and influences He made possible by His own will/choice. It is how He wanted to create us.

I don't see how that diminishes or threatens God in the slightest way, let alone makes Him a big pathetic not very powerful etc. loser. (makes me ill to even type that)

 

[chrysostom]

Add me to this one because it's the closest to what I believe.

will do

 

[chrysostom]

Add me to this one

will do

 

[chrysostom]

You know full well that TruthSetsFree is Catholic.

where is your list of agnostics?

 

[chrysostom]

atheist

atheist

atheist

allsmiles
alwight
blah
DoogieTalons
fool
GeneCosta
geralduk
Granite
HappyCetacean
Hedshaker
Jose Fly
Lordkalvan
Silent Hunter
Uberpod1

 

[zoo22]

where is your list of agnostics?

Layla.

I'll keep thinking.

But I figure there are a whole lot of agnostics who'll be in your other lists.

 

[chrysostom]

I'll keep thinking.
.

it helps

 

[Totton Linnet]

This is coming along nicely isn't it? [rubs her hands]

 

[chrysostom]

This is coming along nicely isn't it? [rubs her hands]

thanks for the help




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