Porn. The Elephant in the room.
- Thread starter Jamie Gigliotti
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Not exactly, but I basically agree with you. Lust is somehow trespassing against your sister. You can logically do it, it's logically possible to do it. You can also, logically, trespass against your granddaughter, or your daughter; it's logically possible. That's a trespass. "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us," is how the prayer goes.
Jamie Gigliotti
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"And this is the judgement: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true, so that it may be clearly seen that His works have carried out in God." John 3:19-21
I've tried living in the sin of porn, using the blood of Jesus as my scapegoat, my own personal license to sin. What a miserable loathing existence that was!
How glorious it is to say His light, His love, His power set me free from that darkness! For His glory! For His great name! Yahweh! The Great I Am! The Lord Jesus Christ!
I've tried living in the sin of porn, using the blood of Jesus as my scapegoat, my own personal license to sin. What a miserable loathing existence that was!
How glorious it is to say His light, His love, His power set me free from that darkness! For His glory! For His great name! Yahweh! The Great I Am! The Lord Jesus Christ!
Jamie Gigliotti
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This makes sense.
Epoisses
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Jamie Gig ? You were addicted to porn ?
Jamie Gigliotti
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A recovering slave to sin by the grace and power and love and Spirit of Jesus. And yes that evil had its grips on me. Addict? Idk, but I can say this for sure. "For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate." (Romans 7:15) And like I said I thank God by His Spirit I am putting to death the deeds of the flesh. (Romans 8:13)
It was only when I prayed and asked Him for His power to find freedom over that sin that I found victory. He can and will give us victory over any sin we wish to defeat as He, "...is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think, according to the power at work within us" (Ephesians 3:20).
Amen. Praise God !!!
elohiym
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Is your Bible missing Genesis and Psalms?
Genesis 1:28 God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
Psalm 127:3 Children are a heritage from the LORD, offspring a reward from him.
And "science" backs that up, too: You're only able to post on this forum because your parents procreated and God rewarded them.
elohiym
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Do you still sin ever?
You don't know? Are you doubting the "science" you've presented? Wasn't your brain "hijacked" by porn, or did you have free will, and therefore sinned willfully?
If you cannot keep from doing the things you don't want to do, you lack free will. That's common sense.
Consider you are misunderstanding Romans 7:15 because Paul is not talking about wilful sin but unintentional sin, like becoming unclean by accidentally touching something unclean (Lev 5:2), or menstruation for women (Lev 15:30). If you believe looking at porn is sinful and you do it in spite of that knowledge and spirit of grace, then your fate is Hebrews 10:27-29; whereas, if you wife menstruates, she no longer is guilty of sin for that and no longer has to make atonement with God for that.
Does that mean you no longer sin at all or that you have put this sin, and perhaps others, behind you?
Over *that* sin doesn't sound like he gave you victory over every sin? Why's He holding back? Why are you?
elohiym
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Garbage.
elohiym
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No. Under the law they would have made you unclean. Those ordinances have been abrogated (Col 2:14).
elohiym
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Not exactly, but I basically agree with you. Lust is somehow trespassing against your sister. You can logically do it, it's logically possible to do it. You can also, logically, trespass against your granddaughter, or your daughter; it's logically possible. That's a trespass. "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us," is how the prayer goes.
We have different understandings of what lust means in a biblical context. I can see your point when I consider the word from your perspective. However, when Jesus used the word translated to lust, he used the same word as covet. Paul said he would have not known lust if the commandment had not been thou shalt not covet. Had the translators simply translated the word properly to covet instead of lust you might agree with me that the issue is covetousness not the English idea of lust per se, which may have root in covetousness.
My view is guided and informed by, as you know or at least could guess, the Church's magisterium's teachings on the matter, and with this in mind, I've come to view what the Lord said specifically about the matter, "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart," to include our wives. We ought not lust, where lust and all its fruit is specifically the opposite of chastity. I see where and why you suggest that the idea being conveyed in Scripture is actually coveting, but the Church really opens up this concept to the truth of our natures as trespassers, and the OP topic of pornography is one of the greatest evidences that we moderns have for this potential trespass that resides within us all.
elohiym
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I understand. My position is that I cannot covet my wife anymore than I can covet what belongs to me. We are one flesh.
We ought not to covet (Exodus 20:17). Why see inordinate desire (lust) as something other than coveting? The idea of coveting is expressed in Greek words like epithumia and epithumeó, is it not?
We are discussing acts that can be sin in one context but not sin in another context, and trying to do so without agreeing on the definitions of words. That's not a recipe for success.
Pornography can be a nude selfie a wife gives her husband while he's away fighting the war against ISIS; he will use it to channel his sexual desires and thoughts towards her; his nocturnal emissions will be about her. Sin or not?
elohiym
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