ONLY Y-H-W-H is God, besides Him there is no God

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Elia

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Wile E. Coyote said:
And Abraham said, "The Gods caused me to wander."
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Bs'd

The word "elohiem" means "powers".

Because of the fact that God is the source of all powers, the word elohiem is used in the sense of the English word "God", but it is also used for judges, mighty men, leaders, and more.

Moses is called an elohiem in Ex 4:16 and Ex 7:1.

When Abraham said "the elohiem" caused me to wander", he was saying: The powers caused me to wander".

What he did not say, was the God was a plural, because He isn't.

The whole Bible teaches that GOD IS ONE.

It is only the statue worshiping RC church who came with the extra-Biblical claim that God is trinity,

But: The trinity is an idolatrous concept, taken from pagan religions much older than Christianity, and it is NOWHERE to be found in the Bible.
It is a desparate attempt to turn two gods; God the Father and the Christian god the son, into one God, because the Bible teaches that there is only one God. The trinity says 1 + 1 + 1 = 1. It claims there is one God, made up of three persons.
It is illogical, extra-Biblical, and flies right in the face of the BIBLICAL teaching that God is one.

On top of that, the RC church is a totally unreliable child raping institution:

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that they are worshiping statues.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that their clergy are child rapists, the result of the Catholic celibate.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that JC didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that the Bible teaches that God is one, and not three, and not a trinity.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that they threw overboard the law of God and replaced it with paganism.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that a God the Father and a god the son is TWO (2) gods.


Amen and HalleluJah!


Run from it![/color][/font][/size] :dog:



Eliyahu, light unto the nations

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
 
Elia

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Apple7 said:
What 'powers'...?

Bs'd

The powers coming from God.


Definition of the trinity:

The trinity is an idolatrous concept, taken from pagan religions much older than Christianity, and it is NOWHERE to be found in the Bible.
It is a desparate attempt to turn two gods; God the Father and the Christian god the son, into one God, because the Bible teaches that there is only one God. The trinity says 1 + 1 + 1 = 1. It claims there is one God, made up of three persons.
It is illogical, extra-Biblical, and flies right in the face of the BIBLICAL teaching that God is one.



You are however in denial about your idolatry:

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that they are worshiping statues.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that their clergy are child rapists, the result of the Catholic celibate.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that JC didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that the Bible teaches that God is one, and not three, and not a trinity.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that they threw overboard the law of God and replaced it with paganism.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that a God the Father and a god the son is TWO (2) gods.


Amen and HalleluJah!


Run from it! :dog:




Eliyahu, light unto the nations

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
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Apple7

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Mulla Sadra said:
it is simple

1 = 1
1 + 1 =2
1 + 1 + 1 =3

and there's nothing as such as 1 + 1 + 1 =1

Common sense they call it..
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How about this...

1x1x1 = 1


Even the authors of the Koran tell us that God is not the result of counted things....but He is still Triune.

You should believe them...
 
Mulla Sadra

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Apple7 said:
How about this...

1x1x1 = 1


Even the authors of the Koran tell us that God is not the result of counted things....but He is still Triune.

You should believe them...
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God is One, that is what GOD says in Quran.

One who's not parted, and doesn't have a son.
 
Apple7

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Mulla Sadra said:
God is One, that is what GOD says in Quran.

One who's not parted, and doesn't have a son.
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Creation ex-nihilo by the Son



بديع السموت والأرض أنى يكون له ولد ولم تكن
له صحبة وخلق كل شيء وهو بكل شيء عليم

BadeeAAu alssamawati waal-ardi anna yakoonu lahu waladun walam takun lahu sahibatun wakhalaqa kulla shay-in wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemun

6.101 Originator (of) the heavens and the earth, that He has certainly been his Son, and certainly not to be his companion, and He created every thing that He will, and He on account of every thing that he will who knows.

Just as in other Koranic creation ex-nihilo ayahs, the Son, Jesus Christ, is mentioned as being present at the origin of the Universe, confirming that He is God Almighty.

Further, the distinction of Jesus’ deity is confirmed by distancing Himself from just being a “companion” (sahibatun).
 
Mulla Sadra

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Apple7 said:


Creation ex-nihilo by the Son



بديع السموت والأرض أنى يكون له ولد ولم تكن
له صحبة وخلق كل شيء وهو بكل شيء عليم

BadeeAAu alssamawati waal-ardi anna yakoonu lahu waladun walam takun lahu sahibatun wakhalaqa kulla shay-in wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemun

6.101 Originator (of) the heavens and the earth, that He has certainly been his Son, and certainly not to be his companion, and He created every thing that He will, and He on account of every thing that he will who knows.

Just as in other Koranic creation ex-nihilo ayahs, the Son, Jesus Christ, is mentioned as being present at the origin of the Universe, confirming that He is God Almighty.

Further, the distinction of Jesus’ deity is confirmed by distancing Himself from just being a “companion” (sahibatun).
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From what world did you get the translation, the right translation is here :

http://quran.com/6/101


أنى

Means "How!" in the form of amazement. We always use it in Arabic.

And

صاحبة

Is a female (companion), was Jesus a female ?


The male (companion) is the word صاحب.

From where did you get the translation !
 
Apple7

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Mulla Sadra said:
From what world did you get the translation, the right translation is here :

http://quran.com/6/101

From where did you get the translation !
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The translation and exegesis are mine.





أنى

Means "How!" in the form of amazement. We always use it in Arabic.
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‘Anna’ is an interjection, agreed.



And

صاحبة

Is a female (companion), was Jesus a female ?


The male (companion) is the word صاحب.
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That the word is feminine does not mean that it refers to a female....even your googled rendering never says female!

Come on...


Let’s first backtrack and review a few ayat, from your book of faith, which proclaim that the Universe was created brand new, for the first time, out of nothing (i.e. as first recorded in the Holy Bible and then later copied into the Koranic opus).

It is beyond any reasonable doubt that 6.101 proclaims that Jesus Christ created the Universe.


Let’s see why this is true by simply looking no further than the first word…


بديع السموت والأرض أنى يكون له ولد ولم تكن
له صحبة وخلق كل شيء وهو بكل شيء عليم

BadeeAAu alssamawati waal-ardi anna yakoonu lahu waladun walam takun lahu sahibatun wakhalaqa kulla shay-in wahuwa bikulli shay-in AAaleemun

6.101 Originator (of) the heavens and the earth, that He has certainly been his Son, and certainly not to be his companion, and He created every thing that He will, and He with every thing that he will, who knows.


Defining the word…


بديع = “badeeAAu”

“badeeAAu” definition:

Active 2nd participle. Originated; invented; innovated; made done, produced, caused to be or exist, or brought into existence, newly, for the first time not having been or existed before, and not after the similitude of anything pre-existing; new; wonderful; unknown before. An originator, inventor, or innovator; one who makes, does, or produces, causes to be or exist, or brings into existence, newly, for the first time and not after the similitude of anything pre-existing. Wonderful originator, without depending upon any matter or pattern or help; wonderful thing; thing which is not after the similitude of anything pre-existing. A novelty; or thing existing for the first time; a first doer; as though meaning one who has none among his fellows to share, or participate, with him in a thing, or an affair. Such a one is the first doer in this affair; the first who has done it. Applied to a man, superlative in his kind in anything; in good and in evil; or in knowledge, or courage, or nobility. A man liberal in disposition. A full body.

It comes from the root “bada’a” (ba-dal-ayn), which means to produce something new, begin a thing, find out a new thing; create a thing. He became superlative in his kind; or it became so in its kind; in good or in evil; he was, or became, fat.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 166 - 167
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar p. 44
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 27


From the classic definition alone, we understand that the entire physical Universe was brought into being ex-nihilo (i.e. out of nothing – same as taught in the Holy Bible).

The classic definition also goes on to inform us that it applies to a man.

Thus, right from the very start, we have the premise that the Universe came into being – perhaps via a man.


So…


Where else is the word “badeeAAu” used in the Koran…?

It is used in only one other location….2.117

Here it is in context…



وقالوا اتخذ الله ولدا سبحنه بل له ما في السموت
والأرض كل له قنتون

Waqaloo itakhatha Allahu waladan subhanahu bal lahu ma fee alssamawati waal-ardi kullun lahu qanitoona

2.116 And they said: " “allah” he has taken (a) Son, glory be to Him, much more certainly His, that which (is) in the heavens and the earth, all are certainly obedient unto Him.”


(Hence…yet another Koranic confirmation to Jesus’ being the Son).



Next…

بديع السموت والأرض وإذا قضى أمرا فإنما
يقول له كن فيكون

BadeeAAu alssamawati waal-ardi wa-itha qada amran fa-innama yaqoolu lahu kun fayakoonu

2.117 Originator (of) the heavens and the earth and when commanded entirely by (the) Word, so only certainly Him, He says: "Be thou." so (it) is.



As amazing as it is, both of these Koranic ex-nihilo ayahs have the Son as the subject matter!!!

Should we be surprised…?


Fact is that the Son is fully acknowledged, and He is given His rightful position as the Creator of the Universe, as per the Holy Bible.

2.117 even goes so far as to specifically inform us that the Son is the Word through which the Universe came into being!

Further, the root “bada’a” and its three derivatives (which includes “badeeAAu”) all pertain to Jesus Christ in the Koran. Each and every single solitary time.

• 2.117
• 6.101
• 46.9
• 57.27

Thus, we can be completely confident that the authors who penned these ayahs understood the Biblical Jesus.



Compare the above ayahs to their source…


John 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men; and the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it. There was a man sent from God; his name was John. He came for a witness, that he might witness concerning the light, that all might believe through Him. He was not that light, but that he might witness concerning the light. He was the true light; He enlightens every man coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, yet the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to the ones believing into His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God. And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and of truth. John witnesses concerning Him, and has cried out, saying, This One was He of whom I said, He coming after me has been before me, for He was preceding me. And out of His fullness we all received, and grace on top of grace. For the Law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him.




Once again, the authors of the Koran are merely paraphrasing Biblical material into their opus…



Now you can see for yourself just how the authors of your book of faith wholesale copied their material from the Holy Bible.
 
Elia

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Apple7 said:
How about this...

1x1x1 = 1
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Bs'd

So you think that if you want to count all of your gods, then you can say 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.

Well, we all make mistakes in life. Happens to the best of us. Not everybody is comfortable with higher mathematics.
But I'll explain this to you.

When you have three pieces of fruit, and every one of them is an apple, than you have 1 apple + 1 apple + 1apple = 3 apples.

Then you do not have 1 apple x 1 apple x 1 apple = 1 apple, but then you really have THREE apples.

Evenso with gods.

When you have three persons who are all divine, then you have 1 god + 1 god + 1 god = 3 gods.

Then you do not have 1 god x 1 god x 1 god = 1 god, but then you really have THREE gods.

Got it?

Even the authors of the Koran tell us that God is not the result of counted things....but He is still Triune.
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There is no "triune God" to be found in the Bible. It's a lie, invented by the church, in order to turn two gods into one.

The whole Bible teaches that God is ONE:


שמע ישראל י-ה-ו-ה אלהנו י-ה-ו-ה אחד

Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE.​

And you shall love Y-H-W-H your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.
And these words which I command you this day shall be upon your heart;
and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise.
And you shall bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Deut 6:4-9

Y-H-W-H, the one and only God who is one.

Beside Him there is no God, no Buddha, no JC, no David Koresh; NOBODY.

Whoever worships anything or anybody else than Y-H-W-H is an IDOL WORSHIPER.


Definition of the trinity:

The trinity is an idolatrous concept, taken from pagan religions much older than Christianity, and it is NOWHERE to be found in the Bible.
It is a desparate attempt to turn two gods; God the Father and the Christian god the son, into one God, because the Bible teaches that there is only one God. The trinity says 1 + 1 + 1 = 1. It claims there is one God, made up of three persons.
It is illogical, extra-Biblical, and flies right in the face of the BIBLICAL teaching that God is one.



You are however in denial about your idolatry:

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that they are worshiping statues.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that their clergy are child rapists, the result of the Catholic celibate.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that JC didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that the Bible teaches that God is one, and not three, and not a trinity.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that they threw overboard the law of God and replaced it with paganism.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that a God the Father and a god the son is TWO (2) gods.


Amen and HalleluJah!


Run from it! :dog:




Eliyahu, light unto the nations

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
 
Apple7

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Elia said:
Bs'd

So you think that if you want to count all of your gods, then you can say 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.

Well, we all make mistakes in life. Happens to the best of us. Not everybody is comfortable with higher mathematics.
But I'll explain this to you.

When you have three pieces of fruit, and every one of them is an apple, than you have 1 apple + 1 apple + 1apple = 3 apples.

Then you do not have 1 apple x 1 apple x 1 apple = 1 apple, but then you really have THREE apples.

Evenso with gods.

When you have three persons who are all divine, then you have 1 god + 1 god + 1 god = 3 gods.

Then you do not have 1 god x 1 god x 1 god = 1 god, but then you really have THREE gods.

Got it?
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What are the names of my THREE Gods, then?
 
Elia

Elia

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Apple7 said:
What are the names of my THREE Gods, then?
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Bs'd

The names of the Christian panteon are "the Father", "the son", and the "holy ghost".

So the Christians are polytheist, and with that IDOL WORSHIPERS.

They try to hide that fact by saying 1 + 1 + 1 = 1, the so called "trinity concept".

But: This is the definition of the trinity:

The trinity is an idolatrous concept, taken from pagan religions much older than Christianity, and it is NOWHERE to be found in the Bible.
It is a desparate attempt to turn two gods; God the Father and the Christian god the son, into one God, because the Bible teaches that there is only one God. The trinity says 1 + 1 + 1 = 1. It claims there is one God, made up of three persons.
It is illogical, extra-Biblical, and flies right in the face of the BIBLICAL teaching that God is one.



You are however in denial about your idolatry:

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that they are worshiping statues.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that their clergy are child rapists, the result of the Catholic celibate.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that JC didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that the Bible teaches that God is one, and not three, and not a trinity.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that they threw overboard the law of God and replaced it with paganism.

The Catholics who pretend that their religion is the right religion, are in denial of the fact that a God the Father and a god the son is TWO (2) gods.


Amen and HalleluJah!


Run from it! :dog:




Eliyahu, light unto the nations

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
 
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