On Cowards and Heroes

[ok doser]

BTW: Are you going to apologize to those who instinctively flee from imminent death for calling them "cowards"?

fleeing from imminent death is a natural reaction

fleeing from a gunman who is murdering others is cowardly

 

[ok doser]

He acts as though he's been in the situation ...

in what way do I act as though I have been in the situation myself?

feel free to use quotes from my posts to support your claim

 

[chair]

sure they can

if they've prepared for it, if they've trained for it, if they're mentally prepared for it

that's why cops, firefighters, emts, military personnel, etc, undergo the training they do so they won't freeze...

yes, that works- to a degree.
Have you had this kind of training?

 

[Greg Jennings]

in what way do I act as though I have been in the situation myself?

feel free to use quotes from my posts to support your claim

Because you're calling others cowards for their natural instinct for self-preservation. At the same time you are claiming you would act differently, yet by your own admission have actually never been in a similar situation.

I'll ask you again: how do you know how you would react to a gunman scenario without ever having been in one? It's not the same as playing out a hero fantasy in your head

 

[ok doser]

yes, that works- to a degree.
Have you had this kind of training?

i've had emt training, and disaster response training

not specifically "locked in a room with a crazed gunman" training

 

[ok doser]

Because you're calling others cowards...

...for acting in a cowardly fashion

and proving it with dictionary definitions! :banana:

for their natural instinct for self-preservation

right, that's part of the point i'm making

in today's selfish society, cowardice is the trained, natural response

At the same time you are claiming you would act differently

quote?

 

[Greg Jennings]

...for acting in a cowardly fashion

and proving it with dictionary definitions! :banana:



right, that's part of the point i'm making

in today's selfish society, cowardice is the trained, natural response



quote?

If you are not saying you would do differently, then are you admitting that you are a coward?

 

[ok doser]

so you can't find a quote with me claiming i would act differently?

dint think you would

 

[Greg Jennings]

so you can't find a quote with me claiming i would act differently?

dint think you would

It's called subtext. And it was very clear. Why are you avoiding the question I asked?

If you aren't saying that you would've acted differently, then are you admitting that you are a coward?

The answer to this question will make it abundantly clear exactly what you were saying

 

[ok doser]

I would hope that I, or anyone in a similar situation, would act heroically and not sit by quietly while the gunman shoots my classmates


I would hope that, as a society, we end our complacency and stop acting like sheep

 

[Greg Jennings]

I would hope that I, or anyone in a similar situation, would act heroically and not sit by quietly while the gunman shoots my classmates


I would hope that, as a society, we end our complacency and stop acting like sheep

Everyone hopes that. Are you willing to admit that you might very well act "cowardly" as these people did?

If so, then I was wrong about what you were claiming.

 

[chair]

I know a few people who serve/served in special units. They tend to be very quiet. Not braggarts.

 

[chair]

i've had emt training, and disaster response training

I have not had emt training. When I was on-site during a bombing attack, I was apparently in a state of shock. To this day most of it is blanked out.

 

[brinny]

I haven't followed this on the msm at all, so I'm working from wiki:




contrast the actions of those victims with the following:





in the first case, the victims act as society has trained them to act - as sheep, with the only act of resistance being an attempt to reason with an insane person

in the second case, we have a man who runs toward the danger to confront it and confine it, with no regard for his own safety

This is MOST interesting.

I see your point about cowards.

 

[ok doser]

Everyone hopes that. Are you willing to admit that you might very well act "cowardly" as these people did?

i spose anything's possible :idunno:

i do know that we, as a society, will have a easier time discouraging these lunatics if they know they'll meet resistance and not compliance.

 

[ok doser]

I know a few people who serve/served in special units. They tend to be very quiet. Not braggarts.

i don't like to brag about how quiet i am, but...

 

[Greg Jennings]

i spose anything's possible :idunno:

i do know that we, as a society, will have a easier time discouraging these lunatics if they know they'll meet resistance and not compliance.

I understand that sentiment. But calling others cowardly who were in a situation that you yourself cannot even understand being in isn't the way to go about it. Odds are that you, I, and 90+% of everyone out there would be slaves to our own self-preservation instinct and, unless faced with a situation where it wasn't really an option, we'd run

 

[ok doser]

... calling others cowardly who were ...

.... acting cowardly?


why sugarcoat it?

call it what it is

those people who sat in that classroom and watched the shooter kill their classmates without trying to stop him were cowards

i even proved it using dictionary definitions! :banana:

 

[Greg Jennings]

.... acting cowardly?


why sugarcoat it?

call it what it is

those people who sat in that classroom and watched the shooter kill their classmates without trying to stop him were cowards

i even proved it using dictionary definitions! :banana:

Is a deer who runs from a predator that grabs one of its buddies cowardly? Or is it simply trying to survive?

 

[ok doser]

Is a deer who runs from a predator that grabs one of its buddies cowardly? Or is it simply trying to survive?

replace "deer" with "sheep"


either way, you're making my point