Obama's solution to muslims murdering Americans? Disarm the victims
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theophilus
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I seem to remember a bit, "if guns are outlawed; only outlaws will have guns."
And..."when seconds count; the cops are minutes away."
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And..."when seconds count; the cops are minutes away."
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It would have been smart business to buy stock in gun companies back in 08, their stocks went way up
theophilus
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Yet.
Ever.
They don't need or want our guns. In fact it's better if we have them, far as the powers that be are concerned.
theophilus
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Maybe I'm a skeptic.
Aside from the "ever" portion of your statements I tend to agree as an armed citizenry is a deterrent to many potential crimes.
As a "graduate" of the 3rd Infantry Division I'm keeping mine as long as I can.
Maybe I'm a skeptic.
Aside from the "ever" portion of your statements I tend to agree as an armed citizenry is a deterrent to many potential crimes.
As a "graduate" of the 3rd Infantry Division I'm keeping mine as long as I can.
The sky's been falling since at least the Sixties and gun ownership's more secure now than ever before. They're not coming for anyone's guns and don't want or need them.
Obviously
lain: :nono: Well....I don't suppose that they want ownership for themselves, but I think it's pretty safe to say that they really don't like the idea of us having them either.
You keep saying this....I'm intrigued....What is your reasoning (the abridged version is fine)?
The idea of widespread gun ownership doesn't seem to faze them at all, and it shouldn't. American gun ownership has posed zero threat to the powers that be and hasn't checked a single step of their agenda, and I don't see that changing any time soon. The idea of widespread armed insurrection, organized or otherwise, is a fantasy.
For one, the fact that we keep shooting each other up keeps the public on edge and serves to justify the ever-increasing militarization of law enforcement.
For another, armed citizens--be they Tea Party types, Oath Keepers, open carry advocates, and other assorted hooligans--are useful idiots. Armed protests outside mosques, for example, are a form of theater and thuggery that play into the old scam of setting the public against one another and ratcheting paranoia and strife.
And finally, gun ownership provides the very useful illusion of freedom.
I used to think granite was a moron. Along with others here. That is not the case.
True
lain:True as well....As I have pointed out before, if there is not a State Legislature and Governor backing it, any armed attempt to do so would be quickly crushed as "Domestic Terrorism".
I can't deny any of that. I think that you are giving them more credit than they are due though. The "Real Owners" (as George Carlin referred to them) may be on this page in their proverbial "smoke filled back rooms", but the Government bureaucrats and elected officials?....Nah. :nono:
Or wouldn't get off the ground. Or would be misguided. (We have a remarkable knack for getting angry with the wrong people.) Or actually would be unjustifiable and terrorism. But the idea of "patriots" shooting us all to "freedom" is simply not serious.
And let's assume, for argument's sake, that a few of these guys decide to get "serious," or as serious as they know how. What would it look like? Well, we know already.
I'll put it this way: Take any of Tim McVeigh's rhetoric, independent of what the man eventually did, and ask any of the "patriots" in the groups I mentioned what specifically they disagree with and why. If anything, he was well ahead of the curve. The only thing they (might) quibble about would be McVeigh's tactics, in that children were among his victims, and even then, there'd be plenty of folks still ready to defend everything he did.
At a lower level those bureaucrats are looking out for their pensions. They almost always get with the program. These are not boat rockers, by definition.
Nazaroo
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and now?
Granite is almost as relevant as you are now
I have never considered him to be a moron. He seems to be a fellow who cares a good deal about certain issues and bluntly states his case.
Tim McVeigh is a leftist who didn't view Clinton as going far enough. He didn't need Ruby Ridge. He was Obama and the Weathermen on a bigger scale. McVeigh learned his tactics from the muslims. Nichols went to the PI to learn how they built the truck bomb used for al-Qaeda's first attempt at bring down the World Trade Center.
The point? Obama is not trying to stop muslims/leftists/anarchists, only those on the right who want to defend themselves from said heathens.