Nuclear War: Pros and Cons.

[TomO]

What exactly do you think her 'point' was exactly? On an adjoining thread Tambora seems to think that the 'solution' to terrorism is to nuke which is not only insane in the face of inevitable retaliation but rather ironic as it would be committing an act of terrorism itself.

It looked pretty obvious to me....Perhaps you should address the particular quote you seem to have problem with in that thread rather than starting a argument based on....Well, nothing. :think: That way no-one has to read your mind! :idea:

Seen it. On an actual scientific level it was nowhere near 'Threads' as to the short and long term ramifications of nuclear war.

Well, of course your crummy made for T.V. docudrama is better than our crummy made for T.V. docudrama.....But we did it first....Copy-cats. :nananana:

 

[TomO]

Was there really any need to drop two nukes on Japan and where civilians were heavy casualties?

:nono: No...There was no reason whatsoever the second one had to take place. They could have surrendered after the first. Unfortunately though, the Japanese chose not to surrender after the first one thinking they could continue to stand (Since it was doubtful that there was more than a couple more bombs that they would have had to absorb...And, uh, that really wasn't a problem for the Emperor and his Ministers).

In fact...even after the second...It is questionable that they even would have surrendered if the Soviets had not abrogated the standing non-aggression treaty and began invading captured Japanese land in China.


:AMR: I think you are under a bit of a delusion regarding the bellicosity of the Japanese nation at this particular point in history.

The destruction of Nagasaki sits directly on the shoulders of the Emperor.

 

[PureX]

The really good news is that there's no money in it.

There's lots of money to be made building and selling nuclear weapons, but there's no money to be made in actually using them. If there were, we would have erased all life on Earth long ago.

Barring the profit motive, about the only motive left that is insane enough to validate the use of nuclear weapons would be religious fanaticism. But no one else wants to see them get hold of any, or use them, so we've managed to keep them out of the zealot's hands, so far.

But we do need to address this nihilistic religious insanity that always seems to be festering among/within some small percentage of us. Because as the numbers of human beings on the Earth increase, so will the numbers of these nihilistic lunatics. And sooner or later they will manage to pull off another disaster.

 

[Jedidiah]

:nono: No...There was no reason whatsoever the second one had to take place. They could have surrendered after the first. Unfortunately though, the Japanese chose not to surrender after the first one thinking they could continue to stand (Since it was doubtful that there was more than a couple more bombs that they would have had to absorb...And, uh, that really wasn't a problem for the Emperor and his Ministers).

In fact...even after the second...It is questionable that they even would have surrendered if the Soviets had not abrogated the standing non-aggression treaty and began invading captured Japanese land in China.


:AMR: I think you are under a bit of a delusion regarding the bellicosity of the Japanese nation at this particular point in history.

The destruction of Nagasaki sits directly on the shoulders of the Emperor.

That's pretty much how I see it.

Especially the bolded.

 

[Nick M]

The pros of nuclear war are that lives are saved and war is won. The cons are that lives are lost and war is lost.

 

[Nick M]

I think you are under a bit of a delusion

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[This Charming Manc]

The issue is that multiple people have them now, they would just mean mutually assured destruction for countries engaging in nuclear tit for tat.

The concept of nuclear first strike is pretty immoral in nay ones eyes.

The belief that we nuke a people group based on the idea that some members of that people group are engaged in a war we don't like is thoroughly despotic.

Currently US casualties in the conflict with IS amount to less than 5. Does that demand a nuclear strike?

The pros of nuclear war are that lives are saved and war is won. The cons are that lives are lost and war is lost.

 

[resodko]

That way no-one has to read your mind! :idea:

artie's mind isn't all that hard to read

first, adjust your sobriety level until you're seeing double and everything's spinning

then lash out at everything and flail about helplessly as you tumble down the stairs

then start yelling in a language nobody understands and have somebody right down what you say

then, read it

:mock: Resodko. He thinks it's still the 1940's.

We also won the Revolutionary war. Maybe you support fighting with Muskets too?

my bad

next war we'll use phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range :thumb:

 

[Stripe]

next war we'll use phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range :thumb:

Hey, only what you see, pal.

 

[Arthur Brain]

It looked pretty obvious to me....Perhaps you should address the particular quote you seem to have problem with in that thread rather than starting a argument based on....Well, nothing. :think: That way no-one has to read your mind! :idea:

Well it was obvious, hence why I started this thread to get a general gist of just who would think it was a viable course to launch first strike offensives into the Middle East. Do you think it's a good idea?

Well, of course your crummy made for T.V. docudrama is better than our crummy made for T.V. docudrama.....But we did it first....Copy-cats. :nananana:

I wouldn't say either were 'crummy' and they were by-products of the age, hardly chock full of high production values and blockbuster style special effects but reflective of a time where nuclear war was a very real threat. 'The Day After' was more constrained whereas 'Threads' deliberately went for more scientific accuracy and the intent behind both still holds true today. A full scale nuclear war means the end of life as we know it.

 

[Arthur Brain]

:nono: No...There was no reason whatsoever the second one had to take place. They could have surrendered after the first. Unfortunately though, the Japanese chose not to surrender after the first one thinking they could continue to stand (Since it was doubtful that there was more than a couple more bombs that they would have had to absorb...And, uh, that really wasn't a problem for the Emperor and his Ministers).

In fact...even after the second...It is questionable that they even would have surrendered if the Soviets had not abrogated the standing non-aggression treaty and began invading captured Japanese land in China.


:AMR: I think you are under a bit of a delusion regarding the bellicosity of the Japanese nation at this particular point in history.

The destruction of Nagasaki sits directly on the shoulders of the Emperor.

Okay, I concede I need to look into that more.

 

[Arthur Brain]

The pros of nuclear war are that lives are saved and war is won. The cons are that lives are lost and war is lost.

Well thank you 'Action Man'...lain:

You're utterly clueless.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Yep. He is trying to take the idiot of TOL title from CL. CL took it from Traditio a while ago. In fact, he isn't posting as much and Traditio was showing signs of changing his tune. That usually happens when millennials start working and see that paycheck sucked down from taxes and they know where those taxes are going because they argued for it at one point.

I've never been for those taxes.

 

[TomO]

Well it was obvious, hence why I started this thread to get a general gist of just who would think it was a viable course to launch first strike offensives into the Middle East. Do you think it's a good idea?

:nono: No....Of course not....Both for the reasons mentioned as well as a few no-one else here has brought up.
I was unaware of the previous exchange; hence my comments.

I wouldn't say either were 'crummy' and they were by-products of the age, hardly chock full of high production values and blockbuster style special effects but reflective of a time where nuclear war was a very real threat. 'The Day After' was more constrained whereas 'Threads' deliberately went for more scientific accuracy and the intent behind both still holds true today. A full scale nuclear war means the end of life as we know it.

In more ways than one. lain:

 

[Nick M]

I've never been for those taxes.

Of course not. I was comparing who was making dumber statements. It used to be Trad the Nazi socialist. Not so much now. He hasn't been posting, but I saw him changing his tune a bit after he got his Masters and was working in the semi real world. I assume at a communist institution of higher learning.

 

[aikido7]

nuclear or not, Christians worldwide need to protect other Christians and the free world from terror, totalitarianism, etc. and protect basic human rights. it's a fine line, in "world" opinion; and 'jihad" material for extremists, but we have to start getting serious with these evil doers.


maybe the only thing they will "understand" is "a really big" bomb. the problem is, they aren't all in one place. i just find it difficult to understand, with all the military and technological "superiority" we have, these large groups can operate, murder and destroy with seeming impunity. recording their videos.

why aren't nations and armies engaging them and destroying THEM, right now. i know the good guys are doing things, and there are many variables, but in the meantime. i know i'm making huge generalizations, but i'm tired of seeing and hearing about these freaks, isilis (they don't deserve a name), they only think they're important - atrol:

First of all, no one is above fundamentalism or terrorism.

The recent news about the Christian militias in Africa that slaughtered innocent Muslims is just one example. The Army of God, the Eastern Lightning group, the Tripuras in India, and other terrorist Christian groups.

When we point out others, there are three fingers in that hand that point directly back at ourselves.