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State force is violence, or at least a threat thereof. Carefully read the question I asked you:
New poll finds California voters resoundingly oppose cash reparations for slavery
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Even when Mr Trump was in power!
We can only appeal to people's better nature. The churches in the UK hope to have some influence. No guarantees.
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So, that's all you commie "social justice warriors" are about? Begging people for money that you'd like to see put into the hands of other people, and when we tell you to go away, and that you're not gettin' any, you will simply go away and stop begging?
Also, what "churches" in the UK are you talking about? Stop calling your communist fronts, "churches". No church supports the communism you wrongly call "reparations".
Of course not. Children should not be punished for the sins of their fathers. As God says Ez 18:1-3:
1 The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:
‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As I live,” says the Lord God, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.
Oh. So you don't support the state forcing people to pay reparations? You said in response to the state forcing people to pay to former slave owners:
"The slaves should have been paid the reparation money, NOT the slave owners."
...and later you said:
"I would have been far happier had my tax money been used to compensate those forced into slavery."
...and later you said:
"I would be happy that some of my tax money today, in some way compensated descendants of slavery today."
So I'm sure you understand how your quote contradicts your previous statements. Do you want the state involved with taking money from a certain group of people among whom could be ancestors of former slave owners, for no other reason than their affiliation with said group, and giving it to a certain other group of people among whom could be ancestors of slaves, for no other reason than their affiliation with said group?
I have looked into the mirror and I understand myself, which is the first step to judging others.
And, having tested myself, I can see clearly that you are a hate-filled person that needs to learn that supporting injustice is wrong and hateful.
That's wonderful. We have just one loose end to tie up here then. Do you understand that whenever the state collects money, it does so with the threat of violence? And whenever that threat is tested, the state carries out its threat?
Do you think God cares about what you have the ability to carry out? or the state of your heart?
Coming from you, someone that has so far been implying they promote unjustified hate and violence, you can understand why when you say this it doesn't mean much.
You say you don't promote violence, but you are implying here that you promote violence as the second answer to any question. Could you clarify?
"Lawfully"? You mean like make it a law? If so, then "lawfully" and "not with violence" contradict each other.
But in God's opinion on Ez 18:1-3, they are condoning punishing children for the sins of their fathers. Are these Christian Churches you are talking about? If so, promoting punishing children for the sins of their fathers is hate.
Could you clarify what you mean by this?
Of course. So now that you know laws carry the threat of violence...
it's nice to see you are being consistent within this post. The problem is you've said in previous posts:
"Violence should not be the first answer to any question."
So is the the second answer to any question? And:
"Lawfully, and appealing to people's better moral nature..."
"Lawfully"? What do you mean by that? Do you mean "lawfully" as in taxes like when you mentioned you'd like to see taxes used to pay reparations?
The lord was right.
Play with the hand dealt to you.
Don't be a whiny complainer and lust after someone else's hand.
No.
What do you suppose happens when someone refuses to pay the taxes you so willingly defend?
Taxes (and the law in general, for that matter) are enforced under threat of violence by the government, and arguably rightly so.
Says the one who covers his eyes when presented with a mirror...
Your opinions are not based in reality.
Saying it doesn't make it so, and it is unequivocally false.
It is not morally just to rob Peter to pay Paul. That's called theft.
So what? It's in the past. Over and done with.
Why are you perpetuating the wrongful taking of money to give it to people who do not deserve it?
Revolutions are bad, because by definition, they are when the people revolt against the government. Revolutions are inherently violent.
What are you, Muslim?
I dare you to stop paying taxes and see what happens.
And when people close their doors in your face, what then?
I find that hard to believe.
Then again, it is the UK we're talking about... morally bankrupt as it is.
We know you're anti-gun, Eric.
But human beings have the right to defend themselves, even within government buildings.
Trump has nothing to do with this topic.
That begs the question (a logical fallacy) that you're in the right to begin with.
What kind of influence?
This kind?
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You live in comfort and wealth in the first world developed country of England.
What is your moral obligation to those suffering in third world countries in Africa and in Asia?
What is your moral obligation to the 4,000 children who starve to death in India every day?
Why are you fixated on, and obsessed with Trump? He has nothing to do with this thread topic.
I am presuming all you men and ladies of peace who abhor violence, would never own a nasty gun.
If you bothered to read the link, it is from Churches Together in England, which covers the majority of churches.
I could do more, as I suspect we all could.
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I'm from the UK as you are and it's telling that the biggest red flag/threat on safeguarding issues in the teaching profession where it comes to any potential radicalizing is now from the "far right" in my area. Neo Nazism, moronic hate groups and extremism, political or otherwise. I admire your restraint in these exchanges.
Arthur Brain
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I suppose it's "fake news" that a few of those involved in that pathetic little day are now serving hefty sentences for what they did? Should have just got a little slap on the wrist?
Arthur Brain
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Yep, but there's still those who think that those who stormed the building that day were just casually walking around...
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Guns are very frequently used for self-defense. I suppose that you consider defending one's self (and perhaps others) as "violence".
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I dare say I shan't even try to imagine the biting savagery we're spared by wits like you and him so graciously keeping yourselves in check hey ho, fee fie foe.I admire your restraint in these exchanges.
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There's still those who say that those who were just casually walking around stormed the building that day...