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"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Well of course!How about in general?
Yeah, God made them. Also, who cares?Do you know how fossils are made?
Well of course!How about in general?
Yeah, God made them. Also, who cares?Do you know how fossils are made?
It can't be proven, but it can easily be demonstrated to be far more fanciful a notion than that there simply is a God and that He is the source of life.In fact it can be proven that life COULD NOT have come into being purely by natural means.
I heard the answer to the entropy challenge, they say that lifeforms aren't violating entropy somehow, it was a little over my head but suffice to say I don't consider the violation of entropy to be a good argument against evolution and "billions of years", whatever that term means. The argument against it as you alluded to above, is that it's just so unlikely to have occurred on its own that it makes fairy tales seem realistic, and an insistent rejection of the God theory appear to be increasingly unreasonable.The most fundamental laws of science and perhaps the most tested single idea in all of human history is the law on entropy. The effect very simply cannot be greater than the cause. Substance does not come from nothingness, life does not come from lifelessness, logic does not come from the irrational, intelligence does not come from mindlessness.
Clete
I look at it as permission to disbelieve in evolution and "billions of years", because I find them spectacularly improbable, and I see no evidence that's inconsistent with the six days theory (Genesis taken plainly). You don't get that permission in schools, or in general company, political discourse, etc., etc., but you do get it in Church.. . . as a Catholic, according to the Church, you are perfectly free to hold that belief and not be in conflict with Catholic dogma for the simple fact that Catholic dogma can only be proclaimed in matters of faith and morals, not science. Science is not the purview of the Church and therefore it makes no dogmatic definitions on it one way or the other.
No. Dead implies first there was life, which I reject. They're just fossils. Objects. They tell a story, they along with all the other physical evidence tells a story that it took billions of years, and so very many stupendously unlikely events all happening one right after the other, with the universe in general and right here on the earth, that only a very confused person would consider this story anything other than a fable.That is one of the craziest things that I've ever seen posted on TOL.
How do you justify this from scripture? You think that God CREATED the earth with lots of DEAD remains in it?
It doesn't matter, and are you a mainstream physics professor with a PhD that I should take your word for it regarding what is or what is not dark matter?You should realize that "dark matter" is a rescue device for a failed theory. It has never been observed and only exists to save a failed theory that opposes God's Word.
It's in contrast to the story written in the rocks, that this all began billions of years ago. It began less than 10 thousand years ago.What does that mean, exactly?
Because it's necessarily true, based on the evidence? Or for some other reason?The Bible never actually uses a term like that, but I can see why you might say that.
If someone told me that it affects their life and in a positive way as regards their Christian (Catholic) faith, then I can't think of a reason why I'd doubt them is all. I might not feel that way, and I might feel that way, but regardless, I still wouldn't immediately think that they're wrong....Since you are here, let me ask you the question that Clete does not want to answer:
I mentioned earlier that knowing the number of years between Adam and Jesus does not affect my walk in Christ. He said he disagrees with that. So I asked him: I will be interested to know how knowing the number of years between Adam and Jesus actually helps him feed the poor, clothe the naked, visit those in prison, And love thy neighbor. I asked him to explain how so many wonderful saints from the past, from Saint Francis to Mother Theresa, were able to love unconditionally without such scientific facts.
What do you think? And thank you for your thoughtful post, a rare commodity these days.
No, fossils are dead remains of living plants and animals.No. Dead implies first there was life, which I reject. They're just fossils. Objects.
You're the one telling a story... a fable and a myth.They tell a story, they along with all the other physical evidence tells a story that it took billions of years, and so very many stupendously unlikely events all happening one right after the other, with the universe in general and right here on the earth, that only a very confused person would consider this story anything other than a fable.
Again I'm dealing with a person that uses FALLACOUS arguments. That is called an appeal to authority and it is FALLACIOUS.It doesn't matter, and are you a mainstream physics professor with a PhD that I should take your word for it regarding what is or what is not dark matter?
It's in contrast to the story written in the rocks, that this all began billions of years ago. It began less than 10 thousand years ago.
No, that's not what I'm asking. But now I must ask you if you're a lunatic with these crazy things you keep saying.I'm not a deist, if that's what you're asking.
The evidence is in favor of God and His Word.Because it's necessarily true, based on the evidence? Or for some other reason?
You are begging the question because of what your own personal theory is, you want to defend it, you've supposed that it's true, and so of course all the fossils must be from previously living things, even though you don't have the slightest biblical evidence consistent with dinosaurs.No, fossils are dead remains of living plants and animals.
I'm rubber you're glue?You're the one telling a story... a fable and a myth.
You're a feeble-minded troll so I can't expect you to think anything other than this limited thought.You believe that God is a faker, putting what appears to be dead things in the ground that are not really dead things at all.
I'm sure that it does. I'm even more sure that's not what I'm doing.It always stuns me the lengths that some who call themselves Christians will go through to force the Bible to agree with unbelief instead of taking God at His Word.
Appeals to authority are not fallacious.Again I'm dealing with a person that uses FALLACOUS arguments. That is called an appeal to authority and it is FALLACIOUS.
Facts are true. So what is true determines what is true. Thank you for clearing up that riddle.PhD's do NOT determine what is true, FACTS do!
Well that's a nice story. Can you cite chapter and verse where you got it from please?
I have NO idea that that is supposed to mean.
No, that's not what I'm asking. But now I must ask you if you're a lunatic with these crazy things you keep saying.
The evidence is in favor of God and His Word.
The GLOBAL FLOOD is why there are tons of fossils in the ground. Not because God was a faker.
They are there to remind mankind of the JUDGEMENT of God upon the world.
You clearly have NO idea what begging the question means.You are begging the question because of what your own personal theory is, you want to defend it, you've supposed that it's true, and so of course all the fossils must be from previously living things, even though you don't have the slightest biblical evidence consistent with dinosaurs.
That's about your speed.I'm rubber you're glue?
That is a feeble-minded insult from the person trolling here.... YOU!You're a feeble-minded troll so I can't expect you to think anything other than this limited thought.
Talk about BEGGING the question!You know what fertile soil is, right? That component in fertile soil that's called "organic", you know what that is, right? And you know that Eden was a garden, right?
You have YET to provide a single shred of BIBLICAL support for your DEAD BONES in the dirt theory of creation.Now tell me about how God doesn't put "what appears to be dead things in the ground that are not really dead things at all". Please tell me all about that.
LOL... YES they are!Appeals to authority are not fallacious.
That might be the first true thing that you've said.Facts are true.
Try 2 Peter 3:4-7Well that's a nice story. Can you cite chapter and verse where you got it from please?
I'll telling the truth. You are spouting fairy tales.And no one ever said God was a faker. Except you.
Oh it's so sad when someone who is clearly not mentally diminished fails to try hard.You clearly have NO idea what begging the question means.
That's about your speed.
That is a feeble-minded insult from the person trolling here.... YOU!
Talk about BEGGING the question!
You have YET to provide a single shred of BIBLICAL support for your DEAD BONES in the dirt theory of creation.
LOL... YES they are!
That might be the first true thing that you've said.
Try 2 Peter 3:4-7
Peter compares the flood with the coming judgment on the earth.
Seeing that you're a Catholic, I can understand your complete lack of knowledge of what's in the scripture.
I'll telling the truth. You are spouting fairy tales.
Quit posing and start showing some support for your silly idea.Oh it's so sad when someone who is clearly not mentally diminished fails to try hard.
Yes I do know what begging the question is, for example, when you hold a pet theory, and an idea conflicts with it, and you reject that idea because and only because it conflicts with your pet theory, that is one form of begging the question, and that's exactly what you did.
I don't have a dead bones theory. I have Biblical and historical FACTS.I don't have any "dead bones" theory---that's yours.
You really are insane.Fossils aren't dead anything, they are structures in the rock, and I don't have any reason to think that they used to be dinosaurs.
Again... not a SINGLE ATTEMPT to provide support for this ridiculous idea.They, like the fertile soil bedding the Garden of Eden, were created in an instant by God.
More unsupported conjecture.To be perfect soil it has to have "dead" organic material in it, and to be a perfect earth for us, it has to have "dead" fossilized remains in it.
I never said that that passage talks about fossils.I don't ask why.
I "tried" 2 Pt 3:4-7 and surprisingly did not find an iota about fossils and how they came from the flood. So again your idea isn't more rooted in Scripture, you just think it is and want to believe that it is but that's untrue.
And also, why are you under the false impression that appeals to authority are ipso facto fallacious? Because you constantly appeal to the Bible's authority is all, to God's authority. Obviously you're wrong. Otherwise you couldn't appeal to either the authority of God or of the Bible without committing a fallacy.Quit posing and start showing some support for your silly idea.
I don't have a dead bones theory. I have Biblical and historical FACTS.
You really are insane.
Again... not a SINGLE ATTEMPT to provide support for this ridiculous idea.
Did the RCC tell you this?
More unsupported conjecture.
I never said that that passage talks about fossils.
Your reading comprehension is very bad.
Only because they are.And also, why are you under the false impression that appeals to authority are ipso facto fallacious?
If you don't know the difference between the authority of the Bible and the authority of men making claims about what is true, you have some homework to do.Because you constantly appeal to the Bible's authority is all, to God's authority. Obviously you're wrong. Otherwise you couldn't appeal to either the authority of God or of the Bible without committing a fallacy.
Begging the question and invalid appeals to authority are tough to distinguish from valid arguments.Only because they are.
Truth is not determined by who says something. God is the only exception.
If you don't know the difference between the authority of the Bible and the authority of men making claims about what is true, you have some homework to do.
Well of course!
God made them.
Also, who cares?
That last line of your post is the central point (or at least a very important one). The fact is that truth is truth. There are not multiple kinds of truth . . . .
Quit posing and start showing some support for your silly idea
No, really they aren't.Begging the question and invalid appeals to authority are tough to distinguish from valid arguments.
Says the know-nothing gurl.That is the last thing that you should be saying, since all you post are silly ideas.
You're wrong of course. I just got through proving it.It can't be proven, but it can easily be demonstrated to be far more fanciful a notion than that there simply is a God and that He is the source of life.
Of course they say whatever they want but, as I seem to never stop telling people, saying it doesn't make it so.I heard the answer to the entropy challenge, they say that lifeforms aren't violating entropy somehow,...
So you allow an argument that you openly admit that you don't really understand to defeat the single most tested idea in all of human thought?it was a little over my head but suffice to say I don't consider the violation of entropy to be a good argument against evolution and "billions of years", whatever that term means.
No! That is not the argument. It is not about how unlikely it is. It is not unlikely it is impossible. "Unlikely" implies that it is possible. It is not possible - period. The "likelihood" is ZERO. It cannot have happened. Let me repeat - It CANNOT have happened.The argument against it as you alluded to above, is that it's just so unlikely to have occurred on its own that it makes fairy tales seem realistic, and an insistent rejection of the God theory appear to be increasingly unreasonable.
Nope. Whenever you argue for an idea while naming as your source an authentic expert in that domain, who also claims what you are claiming, and that expert teaches what is uniformly taught by all the other authentic experts in that domain, that is a valid appeal to authority.No, really they aren't.
Any time that someone claims that something is true because a scientist with a PhD said it is committing the logical fallacy of appeal to authority.
Just that we're all Christians, even though we disagree in our ecclesiology.Can I ask what the point of your comment was? You started it off with "but," which makes it sound like you disagree with something.
Not like how He made the fossils. And all the stars and galaxies. And the fertile soil that bedded the Garden of Eden.Did God make the cake in the oven?
I don't understand what you're saying, can you elaborate or try a different tack?The point of that question being, yes, we could attribute all matter to being ultimately a part of creation, but there's no way to make scientific inquiry or technological progress without inserting the human component into our understanding of why things are the way they are.
I will elaborate. I don't believe dinosaurs ever walked the earth, I believe that their fossils tell a story, a story in the rocks, and that that story is obviously a fairy tale that makes normal fairy tales seem downright realistic.Scientists. Interested laypeople. Me.