Greetings CoP
Nah, my head hurts anyway and i cannot keep up with the rush those threads are filled, while i also want to do some work. So no problem.
I hear ya there.
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I understand that you cannot see the difference between MANkind and what MANkind is bound with. Romans 7:17, 20-21 is A GOOD LOOK. Paul NEVER called himself SIN but identified SIN INDWELLING as NOT HIM.
I see the difference pretty well. But it doesnt split a man so much as you claim.
This position SPLITS THE CHILD OF GOD IN NO WAY.
You can read in many places in the text what happens when a EVIL SPIRIT departs the BODY OF A MAN. I should not need to have to cite those to you.
Here is what happens to EVERY CHILD OF GOD. The PRODIGAL gets their HOMEcoming eh?
Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and
the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Beanieboy will be NO EXCEPTION. The SIN that he is HELD CAPTIVE to will return to wander and find YET ANOTHER HOME and THESE THINGS continue to MULTIPLY on the earth eh?
This is PART OF GOD'S PLAN. There is GREAT WRATH to come for these THINGS.
In everyone of us there is reason what says: "You waste your time in those boards, and you have lot more things to do than just spamming here", but the dark part of Cyrus tells: "YOU MUST to reply NOW and show that you are capable to keep up with the discussion". This dark part (my lust for discussion) is not separated from me, but i can approach to it similarly like Paul did in those passages.
Actually it is THE CHILD OF GOD IN YOU who WANTS AND DESIRES TO KNOW AND PLEASE HIS FATHER.
That is WHY all of us ARE HERE. Whether they PLEASE or NOT is another story because ANYTIME The Word is HANDLED in ANY WAY the RESISTERS are sure to be there IN US ALL eh?
I have waged this war for a considerable time. I also spend time planting His Word and raising up ALLIES OF LIGHT and SALT.
Perhaps a person STEEPED into DAMNATION like an AIM meal or a NINevah are meant to SHARE WITH me. They may become GREAT WARRIORS for THE LIGHT OF GOD'S WORD.
And Paul did called himself a SINNER, because he did sin.
No believe can DENY that SIN DWELLS in our bodies, THUS we are SINNERS. The commitment of ANY ACT of sin is THE PHYSICAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of THEIR presence within us but that DOES NOT MEAN sin indwelling and evil present are NOT THERE within ALL.
Jesus KNEW what was IN MEN. John 2:25 It was not what went INTO us that defiled us, but WHAT CAME OUT and it DOES COME OUT.
Of course if it helps you to understand the Bible more, you can separate those concepts as much. But be careful not to slip into faulty conclusion. Your problem is that you take one passage what separated person and sin (Rom 7) and build your whole teaching on that.
I could add many other text to UPHOLD this PRINCIPLE. 1 John 3:6 is one. ALL the words that describe SINS NOT HELD AGAINST MEN are others and these are MANY. I do not find this position without STRONG support and you cannot FAULT the conclusion as IT DOES NOT HARM YOU. As you know LOVE DOES NO ILL. 1 Cor. 13.
While Paul did not built all his teaching on that and used different views on this matter in other passages.
If you come as merely a disputer you will not ADD TO THE LIGHT you have obtained. Talents are MULTIPLIED in the MARKETPLACE. Jesus said BUY FROM ME. He also MULTIPLIED THE BREAD when it was BROKEN between His Disciples and distributed to THE PEOPLE. This is also a DIVINE PRINCIPAL that you MAY benefit from if we steer clear of the ACCUSER of others. If you fall into the hands of the accuser, then you will get THE ACCUSERS MEASURE from THE WORD...
get it?
You will SEE ACTION on the WAR FRONT in this way....
The same implies to every confession: they all love to take certain passages from the Bible and then oppose to those who take their favourite passages and build their teachings on those. While the Bible is rich enough to cover both views.
I DAMN NO MAN neither do I JUDGE ANY MAN. I have learned this from THE WORD who DID NOT DO SO FIRST.
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Secondly IF YOU INSIST that you are THE SINNER then you should read 1 John 3:6 and then tell me IF YOU KNOW GOD. John should STOP YOU IN YOUR TRACKS.
Ok, i'm not sinner anymore then.
[laughing now] This one usually should stop anyone in their tracks. I find it VERY effective.
But the world is full of sinners who havent come to Christ according to NT. The fact that there are sinners, remains.
I do not believe ANY CHILD OF GOD needs to be BORN AGAIN. They already HAVE BEEN. First they were BIRTHED FROM GOD via HIS SPIRIT...and THEN they were BORN HERE ON EARTH via WATER AND BLOOD. Jesus spoke to Nicodemus of THIS BIRTH and called it an EARTHLY THING in John 3. Go read it for yourself. He said "IF I SPEAK OF EARTHLY THINGS AND YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND...." so this is what BORN AGAIN is.
ALL MEN are SAVED. It was NEVER POSSIBLE to loose them.
There are OTHER THINGS that are going on though WITH THE HISTORY OF MANKIND....
That is the ETERNAL JUDGMENT OF SIN, EVIL AND DEATH...
The INVISIBLE POWERs that are being TRIED here on EARTH.
Their TIME is drawing SHORT...
WE all AS GOD'S CHILDREN are participating IN THEIR TRIALS and as such ARE JUDGEMENT IN THE EARTH. This Glory have ALL His Saints.
Psalm 37:28, 97:10, 149:9 (READ THEM!)
So in my opinion BEANIEBOY is going to PASS a greater judgment than perhaps you or I because HE HAS BEEN BOUND to a horrible thing imo. He will not see it this way but I do. The things that have been DONE IN HIM will surely STAND CONDEMNED.
Beanieboy as A CHILD OF GOD will be RELEASED and GO FREE...
"Then shall the Children sing in the Kingdom of their FATHER."
Until then we SUFFER and SORROW with him and with each other.
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I have provided WORD positions only. This is not something I have magically come up with. It was this way from the beginning.
So did i. The discussion goes over how we INTERPRETATE the word. See it?
If you do not condemn your fellow mankind to ETERNAL TORTURE then I really do not care HOW God brought you there. It is better NOT TO BE A DOUBLE SON OF HELL.
You see CHRISTIANS will bring the GREATEST JUDGMENT OF ALL because it is THEY who bear THE ETERNAL TORTURE of others.
This is the WORST of all possible positions. They are DOUBLE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF HELL.
That is why I minister to them.
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Now if you want to stray from The Word on this subject that is your prerogative. I have no interest in what MEN think.
Nor take i your theology as a voice from God.
Never asked you to. God speaks for Himself. I belong to no denomination, am affiliated with NO GROUP and will NEVER be involved with C-A-S-H and The Word. One cannot serve GOD and MONEY.
While you got your point in some cases, so did i. But non of us helds the whole truth.
Agreed. WE all see in part and in darkness. I always seek MORE LIGHT from His Word and His Living Words.
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That is what think YOU SEE. Nowhere is BREAKING THE LAW EVER condoned in the N.T. ever. Better men then you have tried to make this case BECAUSE THEY CANNOT PERFORM UNDER IT so they DENY IT.
Ah ha. But you see SIN INDWELLING US and EVIL PRESENT with us REMAINS under the law. If you do not believe this try murdering someone and SEE HOW FREE FROM THE LAW you really are.
Murder is prohibited also in NT. I'm under New Covenant, not under Old Covenant (the Jewish Law). So if i murder someone i'm sinning against the spirit of New Covenant.
and the OLD. They are NOT AGAINST each other. What is HOLY, RIGHTEOUS AND GOOD is not against THE NEW Covenant.
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If you want to make your case APART FROM THE WORD then you are making a POSITION OF THE WORLD.
I'm making my case upon the Bible, but you cannot see it. I cannot help if you refuse to see my point.
If you have a counter or an add have at it. I really do not know where you stand. For all I know you may DAMN PEOPLE TO BURN FOREVER AS WELL and if so, then you are my enemy.
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I am not interested in such things. What do I care of trying to CONTROL SIN. The MORE the LAW is applied to it THE STRONGER IT GETS and THE MORE IT MULTIPLIES.
Ever encountered the idea, that Romans 7 actually describes Paul when he was Phariseer, before his salvation?
vs. 25 clearly denies that understanding.
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Do your own word search on it. Biblegateway.com
Biblegateway cannot reply to my query "What Smaller means by the Law?"
You inquired WHAT LAW is against HOMOSEXUALITY and WHERE it was. What smaller thinks is irrelevant.
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You cannot make ANY of God's Word go away so IF your track here is to say that THE LEVITICAL LAWS are ONLY FOR THE FLESH OF ISRAEL you are wasting your time.
So i do, as you STRONGLY disagree with it. I will drop the discussion anyway, because there is no point of wasting our mutual time.
I cannot deny The Word of God nor is it passed. To take this position is to merely be marked as a resistor. It cannot be justified UNDER THE WORD.
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It is ALL GOD'S WORD and AS SUCH IT ALL STANDS as current for today as it was when it was delivered and it WILL STAND IN THE FUTURE as well.
Yeah. Tell the women in your church to wear head-coverings or rise their hairs long enough. Sorry for sarcasm. If you are unable to discern God's Word from cultural background, i cannot help you.
I personally would prefer that women would take PAUL seriously and KEEP SILENT in the CHURCH, but in todays world they are disobedient run amok as well and have NO RESPECT for AUTHORITY.
No woman will be my authority other than my wife of course....
Now watch them snarl their teeth.
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IF ANY MAN falsely alters God's Laws they are in ERROR. If you think that PETERS SHEET denies the law it does not. If you think that because the Apostles did not REQUIRE THE LAW to be followed by the gentiles THIS DOES NOT SET ASIDE THE LAW either.
Aha. So gentiles can actually be homosexuals, because the Law is required from them. It's first time i see you to agree with me about the Law. But can you see also that Judeo-Christians were freed from the same prohibition what forbid them to eat pork?
Here it is AGAIN. Sin INDWELLING THE FLESH will NEVER OBEY THE LAW nor CAN IT. Whether you THINK the LAW stands or NOT is IRRELEVANT. THE LAW will CONTINUE TO AMPLIFY SIN and SHOW IT present WITHIN us, and SIN INDWELLING THE FLESH will NEVER OBEY the law.
This is A DIVINE PRINCIPLE that cannot be ALTERED no matter WHAT men think. There is also applications in THE LAW that are BEYOND SIN INDWELLING THE FLESH.
Paul called EVEN Isaiah a LAW WRITER.
You are not interested what is in The Word, but you are interested how the Word will agree with your own theology. While the Word says something contrary to your views, you explain it away by using your "spiritual interpretation".
FINE, then JUSTIFY HOMOSEXUALITY using THE WORD. We have already hashed through this and you admit it cannot be done.
SO JUSTIFY HOMOSEXUALITY under the NEW COVENANT then.
We all love OUR theology the most. So i dont blame you.
Hey, I am not always HAPPY with what I HAVE SEEN in The Word. Being bound WITH DISOBEDIENCE, sin and death is far from what I call HAPPY.
Are you going to condemn me to burn forever now CoP???
Perhaps it is what YOU SEE IN THE WORD eh?
Maybe you should get rid of your phobies and find out that not every Christian wants to condemn you with hell?
You should recognize by now that FEW do not. Most have found THE BROAD PATH that LEADS TO DESTRUCTION 4 sure.
You have been too obsessed of finding any argument against eternal torment for humans that you have losing the whole picture in Scriptures.
Love hooked to the ETERNAL TORMENT OF PEOPLE is WORTHLESS to me. No person can say THEY LOVE and say PEOPLE WILL BE ETERNALLY TORMENTED without being LIARS.
This is NOT LOVE.
I suggest you to try different interpretations when you read the Bible. I have tried to see yours, and i think i know your views now more, than week ago.
Is there a BETTER ENDING than God's Love to ALL. I don't think so.
But it doesnt mean that i agree with everything you say when i see only your interpretation what does really fits into what the Bible actually says.
As stated, if you find a better way than GOD'S ETERNAL LOVE FOR ALL PEOPLE you just give a ring OK?
So i will drop the discussion about it NOW. If i find some interesting points in your messages, i might reply. But as we see the Word differently, then i think it's pretty pointless to carry it on.
You will have to find your fault another day eh?
Those messages are TOO long for me to chew and i need to work besides of discussing here. Also it takes longer to reply to long messages when i cannot use my mother language and need to check out every time did i wrote something grammatically correct, or not. I even dont have time now to re-check the same message what i wrote.
A good idea. At least you show some maturity in this way. It is my way as well.
So good luck to you in your study, but remember there are other views, other interpretations besides of Yours, and as the Bible is so big book with different theologies and ideas, then there is NO ONE TRUTH only, and even if there is you haven't found it yet. Neither have i. So let's learn together
Apart from the eternal condemnation of others there is a wealth of increase.
enjoy!
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