andyc
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this is so funny.:chuckle:
Yeah they're so stuffy in here, can't take a joke LOL
this is so funny.:chuckle:
You don't know what you're talking about.
There is no secretive knowledge today. All that God wanted to reveal to man has been revealed. The only exception, according to Paul, are those whose minds have been blinded by Satan. Why? Because they did not want to believe. To them, the saving gospel may as well be a hidden secret because they can't see it. But they can't see it because they don't want to.
Clearly, you do not understand where the MADist in general, is coming from - be it "in pretence or in truth."
What is supposedly the "pet" passage of the Dispy?
And what is the very first word of that passage?
2 Timothy 2:15 S-T-U-D-Y to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing THE -WORD - OF - TRUTH.
Nevertheless, Romans 14:5; 5:7,8.
You are an expert?Funny is worldly. The Watchtower does not like laughing.
...even [if nearly] all of Christendom doesn't understand the mystery.....well.........you work it out
Is there a mad doll that quotes 1 Cor 15:1-4 when you pull the string?
As well it should be! 1 Corinthians 1:21 KJVHow long have you been coming here?
That verse is the most discussed on TOL.
You walk through walls? :chuckle:You're talking to a person born again 26 years ago.
andyc calls salvation by grace through faith "alone" "gnosticism" (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV) and he wonders why he is regarded a devil.Obviously one of the key elements of gnosticism is salvation / enlightenment by knowledge alone.
Assuming to take the moral high ground is pretty in meaningless in this forum. I thought you would have understood this by now,
[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] You should read this post by [MENTION=6992]heir[/MENTION].It is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth and I'm not ashamed of the testimony of my Lord nor of His prisoner Paul so it's in my daily conversation. The fact that you are bothered by it, shows your contempt for it.
"madists" preach 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV as the means by which we are saved and that salvation is by grace through faith according to Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV. Tell us all how the gospel declared in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV is not enough to save us and how salvation is not by grace through faith; not of works. We are still waiting.
Well said.It is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth and I'm not ashamed of the testimony of my Lord nor of His prisoner Paul so it's in my daily conversation. The fact that you are bothered by it, shows your contempt for it.
"madists" preach 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV as the means by which we are saved and that salvation is by grace through faith according to Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV. Tell us all how the gospel declared in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV is not enough to save us and how salvation is not by grace through faith; not of works. We are still waiting.
[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] You should read this post by [MENTION=6992]heir[/MENTION].
andyc calls salvation by grace through faith "alone" "gnosticism" (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV) and he wonders why he is regarded a devil.
Heir and I have been debating off and on for years.
I have explained to her before that all the scripture that tell us 'believe', they do not nullify the many scriptures that say 'obey'.
People misunderstand Paul, they think he was saying to have faith and do not obey.
Paul would not ever say such a thing.
How do you ever get that a person is condemned for asking Jesus to forgive them?
The madists are the ones who say Paul had his own and different gospel
where the secret to unlock salvation is to believe and not obey.
God has been preaching 'obey' since the beginning of time.
Paul didn't come along and preach a secret gospel that calls all 'obey' scripture 'no more'.
That's sad. For you.
Not one MADist that I know of makes such a claim. In fact, we state that they are both true, even though they quote-unquote "contradict." (Don't you dare accuse me of saying Scripture contradicts. That's not what I'm saying at all.)
We say that what James and the twelve Apostles taught was ONLY FOR BELIEVING ISRAEL, and NOT for Christians.
We say that what Paul says, which was given to Him by Jesus Christ AFTER He ascended, what he taught was ONLY FOR CHRISTIANS, and NOT for unbelievers (aka non-Christians).
They don't think that. They know that, because that's exactly what he said. Just read his epistles.
Except that he did. Multiple times, in different epistles.
You're delusional. Please quote the post where that claim was made.
Because that's what the Bible says.
His gospel (and he calls it "my gospel" and claims ownership of it many times throughout his writings) was given to him directly from Jesus post-ascension.
Could you give me the scriptures that say grace is what no one deserves?Jesus gave Paul grace (which if you remember from Sunday school, grace is getting something you don't deserve).
Jesus (after He ascended) said to Paul "My grace is sufficient for you." Before Jesus ascended, Not once did Jesus even utter the word grace, yet well over a hundred times He mentioned law, commandment, obey, etc.
No such thing.Incorrect. Paul taught that one obtains salvation simply by accepting a gift.
Are you kidding? I do what? Tell me, I do what? Go ask your wife if you have to love her, be faithful to only her, you must forsake all others, and to stay with her through sickness and in health, etc.When I told my wife, "I do," at our wedding, it wasn't an act of obedience, yet it changed my life forever, and the same when she said the same. What did we obey?
You are delusional. I have given many scriptures telling us to obey.The same can be said about saying "I do" to Christ's question of "Do you accept this gift of salvation?". There's no obedience involved, yet it profoundly changes the individual's life simply by accepting the free gift.
Are you deliberately trying to deceive or are you ignorant?
We have to believe and obey what Jesus says. That is what Jesus says, what his apostles say, and what Paul says.
If you say Jesus wasn't telling us what to do, then you are going against obeying Jesus.
When someone tells you we have to do what Jesus says, and you say no it is not to us, then you are going against Jesus.
If you say Paul teaches that we don't have to obey, then you are going against obeying Jesus.
No, the Bible doesn’t say ANYWHERE that Paul taught a different gospel.
Hahahaha Paul also calls it God’s gospel, Jesus’ gospel, and our gospel.
Paul AND PETER call it the Gospel of God.
How about that? Now what? Peter calls it the Gospel of God, just like Paul does. Looks like that is proof that Peter and Paul preach the same gospel.
1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
It was God’s Law given to Moses but it was called the Law of Moses.
Saying it is the gospel of the one it was given to and preached makes it their gospel, not a different gospel, just a different person preaching it.