Not ready yet
andyc and you do not believe that salvation is by grace through faith. You believe there is work required on your part to save yourselves (contrary to Paul's gospel where God did all the necessary work to save you (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV, Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV).
What God has told men to "obey" is not the same from Genesis to Revelation.
Paul received his gospel directly from the risen, ascended Lord Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV)to us. It is the good news that Christ died for our sins, that He was buried and rose again the third day as the means by which we are saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) and you can be when you trust God (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV). It was indeed before a mystery (Ephesians 3:1-9 KJV) and Paul tells us why (1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV).
Not ready yet
You want the word of God to be one pot meal, but God went to great lengths that you approve things that are excellent (which you disapprove).
Faith (Romans 10:17 KJV) is obedience (Romans 16:26 KJV).
Asking for forgiveness is testimony that you don't believe you are forgiven (Colossians 2:13 KJV).
:french:Just try it with me. What do you have to lose?
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"Not ready yet" as in, my post is not ready yet, goofball.
We have to obey or you have deceived yourself.
SpoilerGT, you obey everything Jesus said to do in the Gospels, or at least you claim to do everything, correct?
Incorrect. When someone tells me that I have to follow everything Christ taught in the four Gospels, first I consider that I am not of the house of Israel, but that I'm, a Gentile, and second that Jesus only came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and not the Gentiles, and I then can say, "no, I don't have to follow what Christ taught in the four gospels, because He said His message was only for them." Now, that doesn't mean I can't learn from those books, for "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."
GT, I've explained this before multiple times, and it seems that each time you stick your fingers in your ears and yell "blah blah blah." (Or rather, since this is all written, you close your eyes and turn your head away as you scroll past.)
So please read carefully.
Paul says that obeying to obtain salvation no longer works. He never says, nor does anyone else say on this thread, that obedience to Christ is a bad thing or that we shouldn't obey Him.
SpoilerNo, not directly, of course.
But the Bible does, if you have an overview of what it says, show that Paul's message is different than that of the twelve Apostles.
Of course he does.
But how many times do ANY of the twelve call their message "my gospel?"
They don't. Paul is the only one who calls it HIS gospel. Not one of the twelve do such, because it isn't "Peter's gospel," or "James's gospel," or "John's gospel," no, it's "their gospel," the one given to them, the one that they teach.
No, it's not proof of any kind that the Gospels they preach are the same.
Good scripture, thanks for quoting it. But Peter was writing to the diaspora, just like James. He's writing to the Jewish believers (not Christians).
So then why don't any of the twelve call it "my gospel"? It was given to each of the twelve, so why don't each of them say it's his gospel? Because their gospel wasn't given to individuals, but to a corporate entity, the house of Israel, unlike Paul's Gospel, which was given ONLY to him, an individual, because his gospel is for individuals, and not a corporate group.
The Body of Christ is an organism. It has many members, but only Christ is the head of the Body. Paul will not rule over Christians, for he is like us.
But the house of Israel is a corporate entity, a nation, if you will. It will not have one person ruling over it, but each of the twelve Apostles will rule over Israel. They each have an elevated position in the house of Israel. They are not like the rest of the Jews.
That is spoken by the apostle to the Lamb, and the apostle to the Gentiles.
James 1:16 Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters.
Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
Stop deceiving yourselves. Start enjoying the Spirit who is given to those who love God by obeying Jesus.
Those scriptures do not say what you claim they say.
Put your words down and the words of God and those who can see can see they are not the same.
A righteousness by faith does NOT mean we don't deserve it and don't have to obey God any longer.
It means we do not have to get circumcised and sacrifice animals.
Obeying his words are Spirit and life.
Let me prove it to you.
Who here would like to try it with me?
Let's start by doing one thing that Jesus says to do.
Who here would like to try an experiment with me?
From the beginning to the end, it was and will always be to believe and obey God.
The thing is, you teach God says it is no more by obeying Him, because according to you, He says to obey Him is not to obey Him!
Nonsense.
His Word is Jesus Christ who tells us the words of God and to do them is Spirit and life.
Obeying Jesus' words did not become death for me.
Everything you are saying is false. Throughout the whole Bible God pleads with people to obey Him, and Paul has not come to nullify all those words from God.
There are many people who obeyed God and were blessed for it.
Did you see that? You're argument that we are saying not to obey is a strawman argument, because we are not saying it is wrong to obey, nor are we saying that we should not obey.
We are saying that obedience is not required for salvation.
Apostle to the Lamb? There's an apostle who ministered/preached to Jesus?
Revelation 21:14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Now let's see if you argue about words that don't matter. Are you going to argue about the word 'to' and 'of'?
Wrong. Go read the rest of my post. I won't reply to these tiny one-liner responses of my multi-paragraph post.That is saying you do not have to obey, you bonehead.
Nope... Paul is the PATTERN for the body of Christ. 1 Tim 1:16The remnant of Israel was the first for the body. They were the already God's, and they had to go through Jesus. Jesus said he did not lose one that God gave him.
That is CORRECT. Gifts are freely given and are NOT earned.No one deserves a gift?
That is CORRECT. Gifts are freely given and are NOT earned.
Rom 5:15 (KJV)(5:15) But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
That you want to help PAY for the FREE GIFT shows that you insult the GIVER of the FREE GIFT.
Accept it and get saved!
Nope... Paul is the PATTERN for the body of Christ. 1 Tim 1:16
Wrong. Go read the rest of my post. I won't reply to these tiny one-liner responses of my multi-paragraph post.