Mad but Im not pretrib

[SaulToPaul 2]

The answer to that is in---

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

this is not talking about a stone temple.

LA

:chuckle:

 

[Danoh]

...She is an enemy of God. She supports the wicked. I know her heart by the evil she confesses as good...

That's a serious accusation.

I have often referred to her as a sister in the Lord.

If I have been off on that, I would appreciate a correction.

I asked her what she believes about both how one is saved and or if said salvation is eternal, and on what basis.

Perhaps she forgot to reply. I know I sometimes forget to reply to a post.

In the interim; in what ways, specifically, is it that Totten is engaged in what you hereinabove have asserted about her?

I don't see anyone ragging on her in the way, the likes of KR, GT, Meshak, et al have been ragged on; given their serious errors.

So what gives; what are these evils you are asserting?

Can't be her at times, harsh words - many of us go there.

Thanks, in advance.

Totten, I'd appreaciate an answer from you as to my above salvation/eternal security basis questions to you.

For you do strike me as old school Pentecostal - and they preach works based salvation and works based maintenance of salvation, as well as confuse the heck out of Israel and the Body issues.

Is their salvation view yours, as well?

Thanks, in advance.

While, I'm at it; to everyone reading this post - just because someone does not hold to MADs view of salvation and or the various Israel and the Body issues, does not right off mean they are lost.

The Apostle Paul's Epistle to the Galatians proves as much.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

In other words, just as with the Galatians, one could have started off sound; but have ended up confused at some later point.

Again, the Apostle Paul himself on this possibility...

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Wow. Do you speak in tongues with that mouth?

Which is worse a little jibe like turdworm or to insinuate that a Christian supports wickedness...you judge

 

[Totton Linnet]

Then if this is correct and the kingdom is under way at that time and it's written that those who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus Revelation 20:4 KJV ,lived and reigned with Christ then isn't it so also that the first Resurrection has occurred Revelation 20:5 KJV ? Is Revelation 9:4 KJV before or after the first Resurrection?

There are as many interpretations of Revelations as there are readers of it.

The church reigns with Christ in heaven, the Jews reign with Him on earth, the martyred are church imv, the general resurrection comes after the 1,000 years

 

[musterion]

Which is worse a little jibe like turdworm or to insinuate that a Christian supports wickedness...you judge

There's no comparison.

We oppose you because you choose to believe men who say God's "whosoever" and "all" don't actually mean that...that He's either a liar or He's incompetent.

 

[Totton Linnet]

That's a serious accusation.

I have often referred to her as a sister in the Lord.

If I have been off on that, I would appreciate a correction.

I asked her what she believes about both how one is saved and or if said salvation is eternal, and on what basis.

Perhaps she forgot to reply. I know I sometimes forget to reply to a post.

In the interim; in what ways, specifically, is it that Totten is engaged in what you hereinabove have asserted about her?

I don't see anyone ragging on her in the way, the likes of KR, GT, Meshak, et al have been ragged on; given their serious errors.

So what gives; what are these evils you are asserting?

Can't be her at times, harsh words - many of us go there.

Thanks, in advance.

Totten, I'd appreaciate an answer from you as to my above salvation/eternal security basis questions to you.

For you do strike me as old school Pentecostal - and they preach works based salvation and works based maintenance of salvation, as well as confuse the heck out of Israel and the Body issues.

Is their salvation view yours, as well?

Thanks, in advance.

While, I'm at it; to everyone reading this post - just because someone does not hold to MADs view of salvation and or the various Israel and the Body issues, does not right off mean they are lost.

The Apostle Paul's Epistle to the Galatians proves as much.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

In other words, just as with the Galatians, one could have started off sound; but have ended up confused at some later point.

Again, the Apostle Paul himself on this possibility...

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Nick the dope accuses me of supporting wickedness because I believe my taxes should fund public services, he does not believe it is wrong for them to take my taxes and use them to give millionaires a tax break, and yes he does equate having these political views disqualifies me from being saved.

I am saved because I received pardon for sin at the cross and received in return new life, even Christ.

My doctrines are the Grace doctrines of the reformation, i.e. Luther, my experience is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. That is all you are getting Danoh boy.

 

[Totton Linnet]

There's no comparison.

We oppose you because you choose to believe men who say God's "whosoever" and "all" don't actually mean that...that He's either a liar or He's incompetent.

I believe whosover believeth in Him shall be saved, I believe if He be lifted up He will draw all men unto Him...some unto salvation some unto judgement. Just as when He appeared among men some came to receive of Him and some came to fight against Him.

You cain't swallow God's word, unless it is sopped for you first.

Explain this scripture

My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me....you [those who fought against Him] cannot believe because you are of your father the devil and his desires you will do.

You think God is going to save the seed of the serpent.

 

[Danoh]

Nick the dope accuses me of supporting wickedness because I believe my taxes should fund public services, he does not believe it is wrong for them to take my taxes and use them to give millionaires a tax break, and yes he does equate having these political views disqualifies me from being saved.

I am saved because I received pardon for sin at the cross and received in return new life, even Christ.

My doctrines are the Grace doctrines of the reformation, i.e. Luther, my experience is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. That is all you are getting Danoh boy.

Just attempting to understand whether or not yours is a works based salvation, and or a works based maintenance of salvation.

Nothing wrong with attempting to get clear on that as to the belief of another.

In fact, one who skips around this important of all issues, when asked about it, is to be suspected as a troll up to no good, if not, an incompetent as to absolute clarity on it.

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

 

[Nick M]

That's a serious accusation.

I have often referred to her as a sister in the Lord.

If I have been off on that, I would appreciate a correction.

How do you judge? By what standard? I do it by what they confess. A wolf in sheep's clothing is such because on the outside they seem ok. Just dig a little. She has endorsed the most wicked evil corrupt things that go on this planet. The reason to tell people she is Christian is to get them on her side of wickedness. Nobody, and I mean nobody with the mind of Christ and indwelling of the Holy Spirit will confess abominations as ok. I am not talking about sin and salvation. Although she is a phony "pentecostal" too.

 

[Totton Linnet]

How do you judge? By what standard? I do it by what they confess. A wolf in sheep's clothing is such because on the outside they seem ok. Just dig a little. She has endorsed the most wicked evil corrupt things that go on this planet. The reason to tell people she is Christian is to get them on her side of wickedness. Nobody, and I mean nobody with the mind of Christ and indwelling of the Holy Spirit will confess abominations as ok. I am not talking about sin and salvation. Although she is a phony "pentecostal" too.

My only complaint about you is that you are an ignoramous

You are a complete ignoramous about European history, you do not even know that it was Britain's socialist government which forced Neville Chamberlain to declare war on Hitler, the socialist government which refused to serve under any other leader than Churchill.

You do not know the difference between socialism and the Nazis, that is what you are saying I support isn't it.

Nor is socialism communism you ignoramous...there has not been a communist mp in parliament since the 1960s and there has never been more than 6.

The fact that you equate someone's political views to salvation says a great deal more about you than it does me.

 

[Totton Linnet]

It is not my fault Danoh if you do not know what Grace doctrines are. They are the doctrines of the reformation and of Luther....don't you know what Luther taught regarding works?

Ya know what? I am not required to justify myself before you, I like you so I am being nice....Nick is TOL's resident jerk.

 

[Danoh]

How do you judge? By what standard? I do it by what they confess. A wolf in sheep's clothing is such because on the outside they seem ok. Just dig a little. She has endorsed the most wicked evil corrupt things that go on this planet. The reason to tell people she is Christian is to get them on her side of wickedness. Nobody, and I mean nobody with the mind of Christ and indwelling of the Holy Spirit will confess abominations as ok. I am not talking about sin and salvation. Although she is a phony "pentecostal" too.

I judge matters of faith in accordance with my understanding of Romans thru Philemon.

The mind of Christ is not an automatic.

Paul was writing of and referring to the mind of Christ given him by the Lord Himself to his spirit, or mind.

While, as the Corinthians (and other saints Paul had to constantly straighten out) bear; the indwelling of the Spirit is no guarantee that a saint will automatically conduct oneself as one.

Romans 6 and Romans 12 both make this crystal clear evident.

And anyone who holds the Body began in Acts 2 or who confuses Israel's issues with the Body's is "a phony Pentecostal."

Now, if you are asserting your disagreement with this or that as to the ways of the world...

One, the world is being what it is "dead in tresppasses and sins."

Two, in the Apostle Paul's time, the massively gigantic world Empire that was Rome fully endorsed deviant behavior of all sorts, and on every level.

Our Apostle's focus?

Get one's pet crook in office?

Attempt to reform fallen government run by lost fools?

This, that, the other?

Was that why Paul was so desirous to get to Rome - the very seat of that massive evil in his day?

The only evil he focused was on the evil that resulted in men being born lost; on getting the truth of the gospel of our salvation to them that they might be saved.

ALL THE REST does NOT matter one iota - lost IS lost.

What was true when the Lord said it, was true throughout Paul's ministry, and remains true today...

Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

But, I am beating at the air if, that is not your view, or, if you are speaking of some evil that falls within the above guideline I have just now posted - for you have not answered my question in any specifics.

 

[Danoh]

It is not my fault Danoh if you do not know what Grace doctrines are. They are the doctrines of the reformation and of Luther....don't you know what Luther taught regarding works?

Ya know what? I am not required to justify myself before you, I like you so I am being nice....

Hah - what nonsense :chuckle:

Who is the one relying on books "about"

:rotfl:

This, after you accuse me of going by books "about" this that, or the other.

Because you read INTO the words of another, and then conclude your erroneous reading is correct.

Case in point, again - I was not asking you to justify yourself before me.

I merely wanted to know what you were basing both your salvation and your security on same on.

I could not care less who justifies themselves to me or not.

Such a concern is a good way to guarantee a "sit down, you have a long, long wait" :chuckle:

I'll leave to your books "about the Reformation" and Martin Luther :crackup:

 

[Nick M]

I judge matters of faith in accordance with my understanding of Romans thru Philemon.

You are to judge them by what they confess. And by judging them, I mean judging them as Paul said, being a wolf in sheep's clothing. You have not been around long enough nor talked about right and wrong with her. It is obvious.

And anyone who holds the Body began in Acts 2 or who confuses Israel's issues with the Body's is "a phony Pentecostal."

She is a phony and claims gifts of the Holy Spirit, which is power over the flesh. She is a fraud. Robert Pate says the church began at Pentecost, yet does not say that there are gifts of power over the flesh. It isn't "doctrinal error" as sometimes discussed on TOL.

This is very simple. You are making it hard because you don't want to accept that she is a child of the devil and you shared a laugh with her. Figuratively. She supports muslims that chop the heads off of Christians. That alone should end it. When somebody is shown the truth, and they reject it, you know where their heart is.

 

[musterion]

You think God is going to save the seed of the serpent.

Ooh, is that William Branham's old Serpent Seed spirit talking? You ARE a mixed bag.

 

[Nick M]

Capitalism created the industrial revolution with it's horrendous living conditions and caused the Great war.

Socialism has improved living conditions out of sight.

Nobody indwelt with the Holy Spirit would say this. This includes the mind of Christ. It isn't what you do, it is what you say. A heroine addict that says what is doing is fine it outside the faith. A heroine addict that says what they are doing is wrong is still up the air. A homosexualist that says what they are doing is ok, it outside the faith. A non-homo who says being a homo is ok, is outside the faith.

The end goal of all socialist countries and politicians is to stop the gospel. She belongs to them. And preaches a false gospel to get her wicked feet in the door. I'm sorry you don't know any better. I won't hold it against you.

 

[Totton Linnet]

You are to judge them by what they confess. And by judging them, I mean judging them as Paul said, being a wolf in sheep's clothing. You have not been around long enough nor talked about right and wrong with her. It is obvious.



She is a phony and claims gifts of the Holy Spirit, which is power over the flesh. She is a fraud. Robert Pate says the church began at Pentecost, yet does not say that there are gifts of power over the flesh. It isn't "doctrinal error" as sometimes discussed on TOL.

This is very simple. You are making it hard because you don't want to accept that she is a child of the devil and you shared a laugh with her. Figuratively. She supports muslims that chop the heads off of Christians. That alone should end it. When somebody is shown the truth, and they reject it, you know where their heart is.

You lying toad, I do not support the muslims, nor do I recognise what you are saying about the gifts as anything I said. The Holy Spirit never forces anybody.

Liar

 

[Totton Linnet]

Nobody indwelt with the Holy Spirit would say this. This includes the mind of Christ. It isn't what you do, it is what you say. A heroine addict that says what is doing is fine it outside the faith. A heroine addict that says what they are doing is wrong is still up the air. A homosexualist that says what they are doing is ok, it outside the faith. A non-homo who says being a homo is ok, is outside the faith.

The end goal of all socialist countries and politicians is to stop the gospel. She belongs to them. And preaches a false gospel to get her wicked feet in the door. I'm sorry you don't know any better. I won't hold it against you.

I have seen you damn too many Christians on this site to care about your judgement...but don't tell blatant lies. All TOL knows you are jerk.

Are you so stupid as to believe the kind of conservatism that you support is Christian? the Bush's Reagan? corporate America

are you brain dead?

 

[Totton Linnet]

Nobody indwelt with the Holy Spirit would say this. This includes the mind of Christ. It isn't what you do, it is what you say. A heroine addict that says what is doing is fine it outside the faith. A heroine addict that says what they are doing is wrong is still up the air. A homosexualist that says what they are doing is ok, it outside the faith. A non-homo who says being a homo is ok, is outside the faith.

The end goal of all socialist countries and politicians is to stop the gospel. She belongs to them. And preaches a false gospel to get her wicked feet in the door. I'm sorry you don't know any better. I won't hold it against you.

You should let your dog post...he is more intelligent than you...and more handsome

 

[musterion]