Yeah... you should post it, I think everyone would think it was really cool.
LOST - discussion about the TV series LOST. ** SPOILER ALERT **
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The Graphite
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I submitted a more comprehensive post of my theory to them. I guess we'll see if it gets posted.
I'm sure they will post it. It took a couple hours for them to publish mine. It appears that theories come in at a somewhat rapid pace on that site.
The Graphite
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Oh, and get a load of this, Knight. I got this from that theory website; I can't take credit. But this proves my theory regarding Jack, I think you'll agree!
My theory states that #23 Jack represents the "king" Jesus.
What's the most famous psalm in the Bible?
And what are the opening words in that psalm?
My theory states that #23 Jack represents the "king" Jesus.
What's the most famous psalm in the Bible?
And what are the opening words in that psalm?
zoo22
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zoo22
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Yeah. Because of that, I'm surprised that LOST hasn't come up here more ... It's very much about freewill and fate.
I'm disgruntled by the turn with Lock. :mmph: He deserved better. I thought Ben hit it on the head with his eulogy.
If anyone else has to die though I nominate Kate.
Other things that irk me:
Juliet's multiple dying scenes. The bit with Sawyer was touching...and then BAM she's alive but barely and whacking away at the nuclear weapon and that goes off...and BAM, she's back and dying all over again.
The whole Hurly sees dead people/how do we get popular cast members we killed back onto the screen without a Dallas shower scene nonsense...adds nothing to the plot and we already have a guy who listens in on the other side...sort of.
Speaking of which, I liked his, "Hurly's in charge...so that's great" line. Well something like that. Looks like they're heading toward a collage religion approach of an ending sure to leave me with that same dispirited sinking sensation I felt at the end of the last of the original Star Wars trilogy...egad.
Jin speaking intelligible English. Didn't he learn anything from watching Heroes?
Sayid falling for Ben's "truth" to the point of killing for him under any circumstances. Less believable than the smoke monster.
Desmond's hair.
Juliet's vaguely condescending, half vacuous facial expression during almost any scene where she's given dialogue.
Older Walt...he looks like he stepped out of an episode of The White Shadow.
The fact that we can't know for certain that Michael died a firey, horrible death. So there's a chance he can return to give hystrionics a bad name.
If anyone else has to die though I nominate Kate.
Other things that irk me:
Juliet's multiple dying scenes. The bit with Sawyer was touching...and then BAM she's alive but barely and whacking away at the nuclear weapon and that goes off...and BAM, she's back and dying all over again.
The whole Hurly sees dead people/how do we get popular cast members we killed back onto the screen without a Dallas shower scene nonsense...adds nothing to the plot and we already have a guy who listens in on the other side...sort of.
Speaking of which, I liked his, "Hurly's in charge...so that's great" line. Well something like that. Looks like they're heading toward a collage religion approach of an ending sure to leave me with that same dispirited sinking sensation I felt at the end of the last of the original Star Wars trilogy...egad.
Jin speaking intelligible English. Didn't he learn anything from watching Heroes?
Sayid falling for Ben's "truth" to the point of killing for him under any circumstances. Less believable than the smoke monster.
Desmond's hair.
Juliet's vaguely condescending, half vacuous facial expression during almost any scene where she's given dialogue.
Older Walt...he looks like he stepped out of an episode of The White Shadow.
The fact that we can't know for certain that Michael died a firey, horrible death. So there's a chance he can return to give hystrionics a bad name.
zoo22
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I just submitted a rather long theory to one of the major LOST websites. I will let you know if they publish my theory.
Yes... I am a nerd. But hey! It's fun!!
I'm interested to see it... Would you post it here?
zoo22
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The major storyline was assuredly planned out from the get-go. They even planned that (if it succeeded), LOST would wrap up in 6 seasons. However, the route took a lot of unexpected turns. Based on viewer feedback and the heavy following (and scrutiny) they wound up with. The clues in the first episodes are extremely important, and are also much more direct than clues became through the years. They didn't know then that each and every image and each and every word and sound would be so dissected.
Right. And they most definitely weren't.
It was a combo. But mostly they knew what was going to happen. They definitely knew their basic story, primary character arcs and their end going into LOST. The thing is that there are SO many different things going on, there's been a lot of room for them to move and shift around and still wind up in the same place.
The themes of Fate and Black and White.
As I watched the first episode last night I noticed that once the plane had crashed and the survivors were sitting on the beach Charlie had white tape wrapped around his knuckles (except for the thumb) and took a black sharpie and wrote the letters F-A-T-E on each of his fingers.
The light/dark theme stands out a lot once you know about it and go back and watch previous episodes. I was inspired by Knight posting the video of Locke playing backgammon and his conversation with Walt.
I spent the past several years watching LOST, once it's over I am going to have to go back and watch each episode just to catch all the stuff I missed.
As I watched the first episode last night I noticed that once the plane had crashed and the survivors were sitting on the beach Charlie had white tape wrapped around his knuckles (except for the thumb) and took a black sharpie and wrote the letters F-A-T-E on each of his fingers.
The light/dark theme stands out a lot once you know about it and go back and watch previous episodes. I was inspired by Knight posting the video of Locke playing backgammon and his conversation with Walt.
I spent the past several years watching LOST, once it's over I am going to have to go back and watch each episode just to catch all the stuff I missed.
yokefellow
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Well, right off the bat, I can tell you why the Smoke Monster killed the pilot.
He was psychic cop Matt Parkman, from Heroes. He posed too great a threat! The MS couldn't chance him running around, reading his mind and staying one step ahead, so the monster killed him off quick.
Ha! I thought that was him!
yokefellow
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I read your theory and watched the Twilight Zone episode. Great stuff!
The Graphite
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Well, shucks... It's the next day, and they are not publishing my theory. Oh well!
Maybe since you submitted it last night they were already done for the day. Maybe they will post it today.
We are convinced that an older Walt was sent back in time to quarterback the Philadelphia Eagles.
My latest Theory about the TV Show LOST
My latest Theory about the TV Show LOST
My theory is that the entire series of LOST has already been told.
If you are a fan of the 1960's tv show The Twilight Zone. There is a great episode of called "The Howling Man", and I recommend that all LOST fans find it and watch it.
The Howling Man is a story about a man who stumbles into a old European Castle during a bad rain storm. The castle is inhabited by a group of strange monks. Initially you are not sure if the monks are good or bad. The monk in charge tells the main character (David Ellington) that he is to leave immediately yet David collapses on the floor and therefore the monks take him in for the night. Later David awakes and is snooping around the castle and he hears an eerie howl, he searches for the source yet only finds a very normal looking and intelligent man locked up in a type of prison cell. David asks the man why he is there and the man tells David that the insane religious zealots (the monks) locked him up because he was caught kissing his own girlfriend. David finds the story odd yet also compelling, after all... these monks are kinda creepy. The monks see David talking with the prisoner and immediately escort him to the leader, Brother Jerome.
This is where it gets good.
Brother Jerome tells David that the man in the cell isn't a man at all but actual the Devil himself. Satan!! Jerome tells David that they captured the Devil and locked him up. They keep the Devil at bay in the cell which is closed by only one thing... the Staff of Truth. Jerome reminds David how the world has enjoyed a certain level of peace for several years, this peace explains Jerome, is because the Devil has been in their possession for the past 5 years. David does not believe Jerome, he thinks Jerome is insane, yet fearing for his own safety and the safety of others David pretends to believe Jerome to stay on his good graces. However Jerome is very wise, Jerome knows that David is lying to him and has David guarded by another monk.
Yet when the guard falls asleep David goes back to talk to the man in the cell and David asks him why he doesn't just remove the staff and leave the cell, yet the man in the cell persuades David to remove the staff and the prisoner walks out of the cell. At that point the man from the cell briefly takes the appearance of the Devil and then changes into a cloud of smoke and exits the castle. At this point David is devastated knowing that he has released the Devil from captivity, Jerome is compassionate and tells David that man's greatest weakness has always been the inability to recognize the devil.
There is a final twist to the episode but I will leave that for you to discover when you watch it.
So how does all of this relate to LOST??
Well, I believe that the smoke monster is essentially the Devil (or a similar evil force). And I believe that the island is a place where the devil has been captured and chained (so to speak). Something keeps the Devil from being able to leave on his own power (maybe the electromagnetic field? Maybe the moveable state of the island??). A group of "monks" have been placed on the island to guard against the Devil leaving (Jacob, Richard, etc.). While the Devil (i.e. Smoke Monster) attempts to manipulate people into helping him with his escape, the monks need to deal with the people showing up on the island and trying to make sure they don't release the devil. Jacob has been the "head monk" so to speak but has also been looking for a replacement i.e., a candidate to replace him.
Obviously, the episode of the Twilight Zone and the LOST series are not directly analogous because there appears to be other factors at play (time travel etc.) but I do believe there is an overall similarity in the notion of the island being a prison cell for the smoke monster. Keep in mind, LOST has the luxury of six 18-24 episode seasons to tell the detail and sub-plots of the story, while the Howling Man only had 25 minutes to tell the story.
Will Sawyer fall for the Devils trick as David Ellington did in the monks castle? Will Sawyer help the Devil escape and then need to recapture him as David Ellington had to do?? How will Jack, Kate and the other cast members fit into this grand scheme? Will they be the heroes that ultimately help recapture the loosened Devil? Maybe the cast members will only be pawns in the overall goal to get Aaron to be the successor to Jacob.
Will it turn out that the alternate timeline reality will be nothing more than a mirrored real-life scenario of all of us catching our own devils?? (maybe the Island is the spirtual battle that goes on unbeknown to us, while the alternate timeline will be the battle that we see on an every day basis)
Ancient folk saying: 'You can catch the Devil, but you can't hold him long.' Ask Brother Jerome. Ask David Ellington. They know, and they'll go on knowing to the end of their days and beyond...in the Twilight Zone.
Here is a condensed version of the Twilight Zone that I reference...
My latest Theory about the TV Show LOST
My theory is that the entire series of LOST has already been told.
If you are a fan of the 1960's tv show The Twilight Zone. There is a great episode of called "The Howling Man", and I recommend that all LOST fans find it and watch it.
The Howling Man is a story about a man who stumbles into a old European Castle during a bad rain storm. The castle is inhabited by a group of strange monks. Initially you are not sure if the monks are good or bad. The monk in charge tells the main character (David Ellington) that he is to leave immediately yet David collapses on the floor and therefore the monks take him in for the night. Later David awakes and is snooping around the castle and he hears an eerie howl, he searches for the source yet only finds a very normal looking and intelligent man locked up in a type of prison cell. David asks the man why he is there and the man tells David that the insane religious zealots (the monks) locked him up because he was caught kissing his own girlfriend. David finds the story odd yet also compelling, after all... these monks are kinda creepy. The monks see David talking with the prisoner and immediately escort him to the leader, Brother Jerome.
This is where it gets good.
Brother Jerome tells David that the man in the cell isn't a man at all but actual the Devil himself. Satan!! Jerome tells David that they captured the Devil and locked him up. They keep the Devil at bay in the cell which is closed by only one thing... the Staff of Truth. Jerome reminds David how the world has enjoyed a certain level of peace for several years, this peace explains Jerome, is because the Devil has been in their possession for the past 5 years. David does not believe Jerome, he thinks Jerome is insane, yet fearing for his own safety and the safety of others David pretends to believe Jerome to stay on his good graces. However Jerome is very wise, Jerome knows that David is lying to him and has David guarded by another monk.
Yet when the guard falls asleep David goes back to talk to the man in the cell and David asks him why he doesn't just remove the staff and leave the cell, yet the man in the cell persuades David to remove the staff and the prisoner walks out of the cell. At that point the man from the cell briefly takes the appearance of the Devil and then changes into a cloud of smoke and exits the castle. At this point David is devastated knowing that he has released the Devil from captivity, Jerome is compassionate and tells David that man's greatest weakness has always been the inability to recognize the devil.
There is a final twist to the episode but I will leave that for you to discover when you watch it.
So how does all of this relate to LOST??
Well, I believe that the smoke monster is essentially the Devil (or a similar evil force). And I believe that the island is a place where the devil has been captured and chained (so to speak). Something keeps the Devil from being able to leave on his own power (maybe the electromagnetic field? Maybe the moveable state of the island??). A group of "monks" have been placed on the island to guard against the Devil leaving (Jacob, Richard, etc.). While the Devil (i.e. Smoke Monster) attempts to manipulate people into helping him with his escape, the monks need to deal with the people showing up on the island and trying to make sure they don't release the devil. Jacob has been the "head monk" so to speak but has also been looking for a replacement i.e., a candidate to replace him.
Obviously, the episode of the Twilight Zone and the LOST series are not directly analogous because there appears to be other factors at play (time travel etc.) but I do believe there is an overall similarity in the notion of the island being a prison cell for the smoke monster. Keep in mind, LOST has the luxury of six 18-24 episode seasons to tell the detail and sub-plots of the story, while the Howling Man only had 25 minutes to tell the story.
Will Sawyer fall for the Devils trick as David Ellington did in the monks castle? Will Sawyer help the Devil escape and then need to recapture him as David Ellington had to do?? How will Jack, Kate and the other cast members fit into this grand scheme? Will they be the heroes that ultimately help recapture the loosened Devil? Maybe the cast members will only be pawns in the overall goal to get Aaron to be the successor to Jacob.
Will it turn out that the alternate timeline reality will be nothing more than a mirrored real-life scenario of all of us catching our own devils?? (maybe the Island is the spirtual battle that goes on unbeknown to us, while the alternate timeline will be the battle that we see on an every day basis)
Ancient folk saying: 'You can catch the Devil, but you can't hold him long.' Ask Brother Jerome. Ask David Ellington. They know, and they'll go on knowing to the end of their days and beyond...in the Twilight Zone.
Here is a condensed version of the Twilight Zone that I reference...
| The Howling Man | |
And there was a episode in the second season of LOST called The 23rd Psalm. Although it was primarily about Mr. Eko.
The Graphite
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You know, considering how meaningful the episode titles have always been... it suddenly struck me how "plain" the name of the first episode actually is. It seems like a break in the pattern. And how many series actually start with an episode that is officially name "Pilot?" I realize that a few do, but not many.
Can anyone check and see if this "title" was actually displayed at the beginning of that episode?
Lapidus is now declared to be a candidate. And we know that the producers have been giving us clues from the very beginning about the end game and how things will end up. Could it be that they dangled the ultimate answer right under our nose from the very start?
Maybe the title of the first episode wasn't plain at all. Maybe it was... plane.
"Pilot"
Just a thought... :think:
Can anyone check and see if this "title" was actually displayed at the beginning of that episode?
Lapidus is now declared to be a candidate. And we know that the producers have been giving us clues from the very beginning about the end game and how things will end up. Could it be that they dangled the ultimate answer right under our nose from the very start?
Maybe the title of the first episode wasn't plain at all. Maybe it was... plane.
"Pilot"
Just a thought... :think:
Gosh I hope Lapidus is not a super vital character, he's probably my least favorite person on the show.
The first two episodes were officially called Pilot Part 1 and Pilot Part 2. But I do not believe either one of those episode names were displayed on screen at the beginning of the episode like the rest of the shows.
Here's Pilot Part 1.