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The Barbarian

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randomvim said:
dude! this has nothing to do with thread. move on already.
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Probably a bad idea to bring up ID, then.

besides, strongest material known to man is considered to be a spider's web.
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You must have heard that spider silk is stronger than steel. We all want to believe that there are wonder materials in nature that are far superior to human-made ones. But the problem with statements that sound too good to be true is that they usually are.

Spider silk is not stronger than steel. But that shouldn't stop us from studying it, or from thinking of it as a wonder material.

At best, spider silk might compare to steel when it comes to tensile strength, which is the largest stress that a material can withstand before breaking. For one variety of spider silk the value of tensile strength is just above 1 GPa, a unit of measuring force per unit area. That equates to a mid-range value for steel, where strengths range from 0.2 GPa to nearly 2 GPa.
https://phys.org/news/2013-06-spider-silk-nature-stronger-steel.html


in your own statement , scientists are trying to mimic natural world to create what they themselves otherwise are unable to make.
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Yep. Evolution works better than design. God's smarter than a lot of people think He is.

Now try to stay on topic, um?
 
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Town Heretic said:
In a sense. We built memorials commemorating those who fought to preserve a slave state. It was one way to sooth feathers of the loser way back when, or a way to romanticize and feel better about something that didn't merit it, or the ultimate passive/aggressive response to losing a war. It's not such a good idea these days. Or if it is my South really has a lesson to learn about graciousness in defeat...and slavery, of course.


I'm pretty sure they know exactly what they're attacking, but you don't appear to.

That said, there's a legal and just way of dealing with the situation and there's the wrong headed way and destroying public property is the latter.
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Do they? Confederate soldiers are deemed US Soldiers by law...as you would say...the law is the law.

If you don't like the law, petition those who make the law....
 
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Public Law 85-425
AN ACT

To increase the monthly rates of pension payable to widows and former widows of deceasetl veterans of the Spanish-American War, Civil War, Indian War, and Mexican War, and provide i)enslons to widows of veterans who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War.
May

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Veterans' l:Jenefits Act of 1957 (Public Law 85-56) is amended: (1) In section 431, strike out the figure "$52.50" and insert the figure "$65". (2) In subsection 432 (a), strike out the figure "$54.18" and insert the figure "$65", and strike out the figure ^'$67.73" and insert the figure "$75'\ (3) Section 432 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection: "(e) For the purpose of this section, and section 433, the term 'veteran' includes a person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the term 'active, military or naval service' includes active service in such forces." (4) In section 433, strike out the figure ^'$48.77" and insert the figure "$73.13". (5) In subsection 434 (a), strike out the figure "$54.18" and insert the figure "$65", and strike out the figure "$67.73" and insert the figure "$75". (6) In section 435, strike out the figure "$48.77" and insert the figure "$73.13". (7) In subsection 436 (a), strike out the figure "$54.18" and insert 7t stat. io8. the figure "$65", and strike out the figure "$67.73" and insert the 243*7." ^^^^' figure "$75". (8) In section 437, strike out the figure "$62.31" and insert the figure "$73.13". (9) Immediately above section 411, insert the following: 7i stat. 105. 38 U S C 2433, 2434. 38 use 2435.
(( CONFEDERATE FORCES VETERANS
"SEC. 410. The Administrator shall pay to each person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War a monthly pension in the same amounts and subject to the same conditions as would have been applicable to such person under the laws in effect on December 31, 1957, if his service in such forces had been service in the military or naval service of the United States."

SEC. 2. This Act shall be effective from the first day of the second calendar month following its enactment.
 
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ok doser said:
Leftists believe that if you tear it all down, what's left will somehow be better
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Funny, I remember a lot of people justifying Trump as the "wrecking ball" in a very similar vein. None of them "leftist".

I guess that kind of reactionary approach is equal opportunity.

I still don't get why people keep throwing out examples from the 1930s of how Nazis were socialist. Democrats were once conservative and Republicans the liberal alternative, but that doesn't have much bearing on today.

Are contemporary white supremacists socialists? I don't know they aren't for a fact, but haven't seen any evidence they are, either. And they certainly don't fit any reasonable definition of "liberal".
 
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drbrumley said:
Do they?
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I'm going to assume that's aimed at the graciousness section. It would be easier to be sure without the block quote or with some more direct reference. At any rate, sure. If some Southerners don't understand their history, can't see the problem in honoring people who attempted to destroy the Union in the service of continuing and expanding a slave state, graciousness might be too slight a way to put their want.

I'll address your side bar with the caveat that it doesn't rebut or particularly relate to my point about abandoning the trappings of our institutionally racist past.

Confederate soldiers are deemed US Soldiers by law...as you would say...the law is the law.
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That having no bearing on the removal of local monuments and, again, being no answer to my points,

From the article provided you:
The section of the law that Confederate apologists seem to be misconstruing is this one:
"(e) For the purpose of this section, and section 433, the term 'veteran' includes a person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the term 'active, military or naval service' includes active service in such forces."​
"For the purpose of this section" is referring to Section 432 of the Veterans' Benefits Act of 1957, which set pensions for widows of U.S. veterans of the Civil War; Section 433 of that act pertains to pensions of Civil War veterans' children. There is nothing in U.S. Public Law 85-425 or the law it amends that says anything about making Confederate veterans U.S. veterans..."

And if you want to understand the intent look to the end of the last section you note. It says the amount will be paid,

"as would have been applicable to such person under the laws in effect on December 31, 1957, if his service in such forces had been service in the military or naval service of the United States."

In other words, it wasn't in that service. You're mistaking an act of charity, itself only possible after nearly a hundred years and the death of almost everyone involved directly in the conflict could be heard from. They are deemed veterans for the purposes of providing that charity to their descendants.

And to repeat in closing, this has nothing against my point about commemorating the dishonorable practice, the state formed to represent it, or the men whose misguided sense of duty led them to serve its cause. I understand why the then largely racist South desired to create those monuments. I understand why those of us who have seen the transition to a different South should repudiate that effort and honor our better natures and contributions, which we have made to the Union in abundance.
 
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One commentator has summarized the situation very well:
“The average person is ignorant to the fact that 1) the State is an institution of violence that inherently leads to division and loss of freedom 2) the ruling class behind the state (call them Illuminati, new world order, deep state, etc) have always used Order Out of Chaos as their method to divide, conquer, and pick up the pieces, ensuring their agenda continues.Even those who recognize the violence of the state don’t always understand the depths to which this conspiracy goes. Until you become aware of BOTH these pieces of information you are missing the bigger picture.For example, the altright and allied racists are bigots but they are also responding to years of garbage from the extreme left telling them they should feel guilty for their heritage or that they are to blame for everything. It doesn’t justify their hate but leftists need to be aware. But at the end of the day both sides are being played.The ruling class creates and funds movements across the board. They create wars, create refugee/migrant crises and stoke the flames of reaction. They fund the good guys and the bad guys. They fund revolutionary and the counter revolutionary. Even when it came to Hitler he was being funded by interests that had their own agenda. If you are allowing yourself to be reactive and your actions dictated by these movements you are what is known as a useful idiot.

Think deeper. Look at who benefits from your actions. The people at the top, behind the scenes, have studied human behavior and psychology. They seek to control world events and manipulate us into supporting our own division and eventual domination. We have to be smarter than them.”

Some initial thoughts on Charlottesville
 
drbrumley

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1. I favor preserving the Confederate monuments in Charlottesville, for the same reason I would favor preserving Lenin’s mausoleum in Moscow or the statues of Sacco and Vanzetti in Boston.
 
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2. Decisions about what kinds of public monuments to put up or maintain should be a local community decision with non-residents getting no rightful say in the matter.
 
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3. The Alt-Right people had the right to engage in a peaceful protest/rally and the city of Charlottesville screwed up by trying to revoke their permit to assemble while leaving the permits of counterprotestors in tact. A federal court agreed that the revocation of the permit by motivated by political bias, and eventually the permit for the Alt-Rightists was reinstated. Requiring permits to hold a political event is dubious from constitutional perspective anyway.
 
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The Barbarian said:
Probably a bad idea to bring up ID, then.



You must have heard that spider silk is stronger than steel. We all want to believe that there are wonder materials in nature that are far superior to human-made ones. But the problem with statements that sound too good to be true is that they usually are.

Spider silk is not stronger than steel. But that shouldn't stop us from studying it, or from thinking of it as a wonder material.

At best, spider silk might compare to steel when it comes to tensile strength, which is the largest stress that a material can withstand before breaking. For one variety of spider silk the value of tensile strength is just above 1 GPa, a unit of measuring force per unit area. That equates to a mid-range value for steel, where strengths range from 0.2 GPa to nearly 2 GPa.
https://phys.org/news/2013-06-spider-silk-nature-stronger-steel.html




Yep. Evolution works better than design. God's smarter than a lot of people think He is.

Now try to stay on topic, um?
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1. what? no. Spider silk comment was in regards to substances similar to the silk: different fabrics that could replace ropes, etc.

2. All things are God's design as someone like myself the consideration or arguement fot better or worse is mute or falls on def ears

3. I agree now try to stay on topic. hufloump?


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