Foxfire
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Lefties - Should We Declare War On Russia?
- Thread starter ok doser
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(Sod wants to know what would make some one our enemy)
Barbarian observes:
Trying to rig our presidential election to put a weak and incompetent Donald Trump in the WH would suffice.
It's true. We executed the Rosenbergs for aiding the Russians pretty much as Trump has done. But not for treason.
We know that Putin did this with the goal of undermining American confidence in our system of government.
We do. There's no doubt whatsoever that he did. Even Trump backed up and admitted it.
Right now, it's a matter of finding out who, if anyone was cooperating with Putin in his attempt to get Trump elected president.
Nope. CIA has recordings of Russian officials congratulating each other after Trump won. And as you just learned, one does not have to commit treason to be criminally responsible for helping our enemies.
Ethyl and Julius learned otherwise. Trump didn't have to commit treason to be impeached.
Barbarian observes:
Trying to rig our presidential election to put a weak and incompetent Donald Trump in the WH would suffice.
It's true. We executed the Rosenbergs for aiding the Russians pretty much as Trump has done. But not for treason.
We know that Putin did this with the goal of undermining American confidence in our system of government.
We do. There's no doubt whatsoever that he did. Even Trump backed up and admitted it.
Right now, it's a matter of finding out who, if anyone was cooperating with Putin in his attempt to get Trump elected president.
Nope. CIA has recordings of Russian officials congratulating each other after Trump won. And as you just learned, one does not have to commit treason to be criminally responsible for helping our enemies.
Ethyl and Julius learned otherwise. Trump didn't have to commit treason to be impeached.
ok doser
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Barbarian observes:
We executed the Rosenbergs for aiding the Russians pretty much as Trump has done. But not for treason.
Well, let's take a look...
First, you've been confused as Trump was, when he made this hairbrained statement:
And I think what’s happening is, as usual, the Democrats have played their card too hard on the Russia thing, because people aren’t believing it. It’s a witch hunt and they understand that. When they say “treason”—you know what treason is? That’s Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for giving the atomic bomb, OK?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gets-the-rosenbergs-all-wrong
Aside from the fact that they didn't give the Russians "the bomb", he's also wrong about treason. It's disloyal and criminal to give classified information to an foreign power, even if they aren't at war with us, but it's not treason. Notice also that an American was sentenced to life in prison for handing classified information over to an ally of the United States, so there's no need to have the crime associated with a declared enemy.
The Espionage act makes it a criminal offense to do so to any other nation.
Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
Since Trump can declassify anything he wishes, if he had declassified this highly important information, it wouldn't have been criminal to hand it over to another nation. If.
If this puzzles you, perhaps you'd do better if you looked it up one step at a time, so as not to get yourself confused with all the new information.
We executed the Rosenbergs for aiding the Russians pretty much as Trump has done. But not for treason.
Well, let's take a look...
First, you've been confused as Trump was, when he made this hairbrained statement:
And I think what’s happening is, as usual, the Democrats have played their card too hard on the Russia thing, because people aren’t believing it. It’s a witch hunt and they understand that. When they say “treason”—you know what treason is? That’s Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for giving the atomic bomb, OK?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-gets-the-rosenbergs-all-wrong
Aside from the fact that they didn't give the Russians "the bomb", he's also wrong about treason. It's disloyal and criminal to give classified information to an foreign power, even if they aren't at war with us, but it's not treason. Notice also that an American was sentenced to life in prison for handing classified information over to an ally of the United States, so there's no need to have the crime associated with a declared enemy.
The Espionage act makes it a criminal offense to do so to any other nation.
Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
Since Trump can declassify anything he wishes, if he had declassified this highly important information, it wouldn't have been criminal to hand it over to another nation. If.
If this puzzles you, perhaps you'd do better if you looked it up one step at a time, so as not to get yourself confused with all the new information.
ok doser
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ClimateSanity
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People make the mistake of assuming that just because a person is not your enemy, it makes them your friend. Heck, even our allies are not true friends. The only friends we have had in the last 40 years are Margaret Thatcher and Bebi Netanyahu.
ok doser
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canada's usually been a good friend, more so with harper than with either trudeau
ok doser
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still looking for an answer to this one:
in what way could Putin be "held to account"?
looking for specifics
for example:
1. send him to bed without his supper
2. tell him he was a very naughty boy and shouldn't ever do that again
3. draw a red line in the sand and dare him to step over it
4. promise not to vote for him in 2020
5. threaten to hack hillary's servers during the next russian presidential election
in what way could Putin be "held to account"?
looking for specifics
for example:
1. send him to bed without his supper
2. tell him he was a very naughty boy and shouldn't ever do that again
3. draw a red line in the sand and dare him to step over it
4. promise not to vote for him in 2020
5. threaten to hack hillary's servers during the next russian presidential election
Nah. "TheWall" should keep 'em at bay!
drbrumley
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Bibi? Friend? :rotfl:
No need...we'll just extend the wall in an effort to completely insulate ourselves from the evil ne'er do wellians of this world! And we'll get Russia to pay for it!
Foxfire
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Who's threatening ICBMs? Certainly not any FRIEND of the USA.
Just another hyperbola to distract!
Foxfire
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Oh, I dunno. Maybe by FOLLOWING THE GAME PLAN laid out by Trumps hand selected "intelligentsia"?
You do realize that what trump did was in diametric opposition to the advice given by almost every single Trump advisor within the circle that planned that conference :doh:
And please, in the future, be so kind as to quote me in context!
A statement that you seem hell bent to prove.
ok doser
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Foxfire
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Now see? Even YOU seem to be getting smarter than Trump! :chuckle:
As I told you, Trump can merely declassify any secrets he might want to pass on to our enemies. And it's perfectly legal. He's the president.
Disloyal, unpatriotic, even despicable. But it's legal, if he chooses to make it so.