Lefties - Should We Declare War On Russia?

[The Barbarian]

Many of you are determined to paint Putin and Russia as our "enemies" so that you'll have some traction in a trump impeachment bid.

Should we just declare war on Russia and let the ICBMs fly?

Perhaps we should just respond in kind. We remain the superpower in cyber warfare, if we choose to use it.

 

[rexlunae]

And who can be sure that all that you are saying was not 'discussed' between Trump and Putin?

I very much doubt it. And the fact that he had a secret meeting with Putin adds to that sense. He doesn't trust his own administration in the room with him. What could he have to talk so privately with Putin about?

I mean, our actual president had not even finished the press conference and he was already being accused of being a treasonous person.

He was accused of treason for what he said at the press conference.

I do not remember President Obama or Secretary of State Hillary Clinton not even finishing their press conference and being accused of being treasonous for 'talking' to Putin then. Did you?

Did you remember them betraying the country as Trump did? I don't.

I did not much care about politics then, but oh, man, oh, man, do I have to pay minute attention now to be able to harvest the truth.

Focus harder, I don't know.

 

[rexlunae]

well, no - that's just silly

Thanks for the input, but you're asleep.

By the way, our NATO ally, the UK, has taken three chemical weapons attacks from the country that NATO was founded to protect against. They would be entirely within their rights to invoke article 5. What stops them? Maybe the fact that they aren't sure what we would do if they did.

 

[ok doser]

By the way, our NATO ally, the UK, has taken three chemical weapons attacks from (russia)...

ok, that's even more retarded, and does a disservice to the memories of those who have died in actual chemical weapons attacks, in syria, in iran, the kurds in iraq, in ww1 trench warfare

just like trying to redefine "war" and "enemy"

... the country that NATO was founded to protect against.

:doh:

you just went full retard

 

[Rusha]

Perhaps we should just respond in kind. We remain the superpower in cyber warfare, if we choose to use it.

Yes we should ... hit back twice as hard in such a manner that Putin will keep his nose in his own country rather than trying to destroy other countries, including our own.

 

[ClimateSanity]

It would be redundant. We've been attacked. The only thing that prevents us from being in a de facto war is the fact that we aren't fighting back.

But what we should do is escalate our response until they back down, to include withdrawing from Ukraine, ceasing election meddling in democratic countries, and stopping the chemical weapons attacks in the UK. If that turns into a hot war, or a declared war, so-be-it, but I don't think that would be the first step.

I didn't realize Facebook political ads put out by Russian trolls was an act of war. Foreigners make political statements about our candidates constantly. It gets released on the nightly comedy/ news shows. Are we at war with all these countries?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Thanks for the input, but you're asleep.

By the way, our NATO ally, the UK, has taken three chemical weapons attacks from the country that NATO was founded to protect against. They would be entirely within their rights to invoke article 5. What stops them? Maybe the fact that they aren't sure what we would do if they did.

It seems apparent that okdoser isn't aware of "Novichok"...amongst other things...

lain:

 

[ok doser]

I didn't realize Facebook political ads put out by Russian trolls was an act of war. Foreigners make political statements about our candidates constantly. It gets released on the nightly comedy/ news shows. Are we at war with all these countries?

you're expecting consistency and logical rational coherency from the left? :freak:

 

[ok doser]

Many of you are determined to paint Putin and Russia as our "enemies" so that you'll have some traction in a trump impeachment bid.

Should we just declare war on Russia and let the ICBMs fly?

... the right is incapable of imagining anything short of nuclear war if Putin is held to account. :rotfl:

in what way could Putin be "held to account"?

and in what way would Putin and Russia be labelled our "enemies" without declaring war?

 

[Foxfire]

in what way could Putin be "held to account"?

and in what way would Putin and Russia be labelled our "enemies" without declaring war?

If Trump can't give that a GOOD answer to that very question, then he's to inept to be in the same room with Putin.

:mock: GREAT NEGOTIATOR! :think:

 

[Foxfire]

If Trump can't give that a GOOD answer to that very question, then he's to inept to be in the same room with Putin.

:mock: GREAT NEGOTIATOR! :think:

Why do you keep diverting to hypotheticals and dodging the reality that Trump crumbled like wet tissue paper?

 

[ok doser]

If Trump can't give that a GOOD answer to that very question, then he's to inept to be in the same room with Putin.

:mock: GREAT NEGOTIATOR! :think:

i don't think you understand what this thread is about

perhaps you should go back and read the op again



here, i'll put it right in front of you:

Many of you are determined to paint Putin and Russia as our "enemies" so that you'll have some traction in a trump impeachment bid.

Should we just declare war on Russia and let the ICBMs fly?

 

[The Barbarian]

and in what way would Putin and Russia be labelled our "enemies" without declaring war?

Trying to rig our presidential election to put a weak and incompetent Donald Trump in the WH would suffice.

We know that Putin did this, with the goal of undermining American confidence in our system of government.

 

[ok doser]

Trying to rig our presidential election to put a weak and incompetent Donald Trump in the WH would suffice.

not for the purposes of meeting the specific language of the Constitution wrt "treason"

We know that Putin did this...

no we don't

we might in the future after the investigations play out, but right now all we have are doubts and suspicions

... with the goal of undermining American confidence in our system of government.

that's pure speculation on your part


in the context of the OP, in the context of meeting the specific language of the Constitution regarding treason, we have to define Putin and Russia as the "enemy" and we have to be at "war" with russia

and we have to meet those terms in the traditional sense, in order for any impeachment to proceed

 

[Foxfire]

Invalid assertion. Speculation. Trump provides ample material on his own.

Many of you are determined to paint Putin and Russia as our "enemies" so that you'll have some traction in a trump impeachment bid.

Hyperbolic non sequitur.

Should we just declare war on Russia and let the ICBMs fly?

:yawn:

 

[ok doser]

if the following doesn't apply to you, don't respond :idunno:

Many of you are determined to paint Putin and Russia as our "enemies" so that you'll have some traction in a trump impeachment bid.

 

[annabenedetti]

Why do you keep diverting to hypotheticals and dodging the reality that Trump crumbled like wet tissue paper?

doser's kinda off his game - really, what defense of Trump is left?

 

[annabenedetti]

if the following doesn't apply to you, don't respond :idunno:

Regardless of whether it applies to me, I'll answer anyway:


Many of you are determined to paint Putin as our "friend" so that you'll have some traction in a defense of youvotedfortrumpbecausehewasn'thillary.

 

[Arthur Brain]

doser's kinda off his game - really, what defense of Trump is left?

None...

Even his immediate staff are in 'cringe mode' over his next inevitable gaffe. It's beyond pathetic now.

 

[annabenedetti]

Invalid assertion. Speculation. Trump provides ample material on his own.

Hyperbolic non sequitur.

And that last of his would be the false dilemma. :thumb: