Investigate yourself, or remain ignorant it is up to you :idunno:
john w has become a Pentecostal
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Investigate yourself, or remain ignorant it is up to you :idunno:
Jesus said to Peter "feed MY sheep" Christ remains the only Shepherd of His sheep.
“For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
**Matthew *23:39 *ASV
http://bible.com/12/mat.23.39.asv
That is the messianic greeting ^^
“And the multitudes that went before him, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.”
**Matthew *21:9 *ASV
http://bible.com/12/mat.21.9.asv
That's what I mean kid.
Hosea prophesied that Jehovah would return to His place until they (Israel) confess their sin (singular sin) and then He shall return.
The unpardonable sin of Matthew 12 is that singular sin, the rejection of the messiahship of Yeshua by Israel based on demon possession.
According to first century phsrasaic Judaism only the Messiah when He comes can cast out a mute demon. The Pharisees brought the demoniac as a test case. Once Yeshua cast out the demon the multitudes ask the jewish leaders if Yeshua was the messiah the son of David. The Pharisees were forced to make a decision and the unpardonable part was that the kingdom offer would now be rescinded and would be offered to a future generation of Israel, the tribulation generation. The kingdom entered into mystery form and Yeshua ceases to teach that generation. He begins the parabolic method to hide the truth from that generation while explaining it to the disciples.
Indeed Yeshua will offer Israel the kingdom but Hosea says not until their national confession.
Hosea says the elders will have a three day prayer vigil. They will pray Psalms 79-80 and then they will confess Isaiah 53. Then and only then does Yeshua return.
iamaberean
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Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
If there is a difference in denominations, it is the fact that Pentecostals have faith! What does having faith get you? Eternal life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
God still does the choosing and drawing to whom He wants in anyway He pleases. Investigate that and the rest will follow. Perhaps you're not able to investigate.
Dan Emanuel
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And He sit's in heaven beside the Father. He established the papacy (John 21:15-17 KJV) before He ascended back to heaven.
DJ
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Dan Emanuel
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" . . . faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
I believe that faith is exemplified in the sacrament's of the Church; baptism, confirmation, the Eucharist (taking communion), marriage, holy order's, anointing the sick, and penance.
Do Pentecostal's do these?
DJ
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iamaberean
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Tongues, when from God, are real. To receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, eternal life not tongues, one will also speak with tongues as the evidence, just like those in the early church.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.
Faith is required, if one doesn't believe in Jesus and his ability to fill us with his Spirit, then they are trying to enter heaven through another gate.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Fake.
iamaberean
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Baptism - once, in Jesus name.
Marriage - once
Confirmation - once by Jesus, that is being born again of the water and the Spirit.
Anointing the sick - yes
The rest are traditions of other denominations, not apostolic.
iamaberean
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Originally posted by iamaberean:
Tongues, when from God, are real. To receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, eternal life not tongues, one will also speak with tongues as the evidence, just like those in the early church.
Post by iamaberean:
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.
Faith is required, if one doesn't believe in Jesus and his ability to fill us with his Spirit, then they are trying to enter heaven through another gate.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Patrick Jane,
I know that is your opinion, but according to scripture and my own experience, you are wrong! However, your opinion could hurt others in their walk with God and you should resist speaking of things that do not agree with His word.
Tongues, when from God, are real. To receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, eternal life not tongues, one will also speak with tongues as the evidence, just like those in the early church.
Post by iamaberean:
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.
Faith is required, if one doesn't believe in Jesus and his ability to fill us with his Spirit, then they are trying to enter heaven through another gate.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Patrick Jane,
I know that is your opinion, but according to scripture and my own experience, you are wrong! However, your opinion could hurt others in their walk with God and you should resist speaking of things that do not agree with His word.
Dan Emanuel
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What about taking communion though? You aren't saying that taking communion is "not apostolic," right?
I'm thinking you probably forgot it?
DJ
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iamaberean
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1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
He came in 70 AD, no need to eat or drink anymore.
Dan Emanuel
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iamaberean
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No, but I don't consider myself a preterist, just a Christian with a Pentecostal background.
Dan Emanuel
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I consider a preterist to be anybody who say's that our Lord returned in A.D. 70.
I'm not saying your not Christian.
DJ
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He still pours the Holy Ghost upon who He pleases too
All these are fake ordinances, none of them corresponds to the scriptures...fake baptism, fake Pentecost [confirmation] fake breaking bread, fake Christian ministry, fake anointing the sick, fake confessions.
Nor does God honour any of them. The Catholic way is "we don't have real bible faith so we'll do sacraments instead."
iamaberean
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Jesus told his disciples that he would return in their generation and some of them would still be alive.
That right there would be enough for me to believe, but he also said they would know the time by the fact that Jerusalem would be surrounded and destroyed at the end of the age. They would wait to see, but we know that really happened because history has recorded it.
Why would anyone not believe? Jesus said so and it happened.