No, you discard it because it says that Jesus was the Christ at His birth.
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No, you discard it because it says that Jesus was the Christ at His birth.
Yep!
Do you see it as "inspired" by God?
1Mind1Spirit
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Agency is fine.
However, Christ has been God's agent from the beginning.
The angel that went before them was Christ.
Christ, who indeed came later in the flesh, was there to drink from all along.
1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them : and that Rock was Christ.
Christ was not literally trailing along behind them, but was leading the way.
keypurr
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Yes I do, but each page was not recorded the day it happened. So the verse in question is written as a past event. Jesus became the Christ at his baptism. He was anointed with Christ.
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keypurr
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Your post is worth the time to ponder over but Christ was so much more than an Angel.
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Still ignores Luke 2:11
Christ is not an angel.
Hebrews 1:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,
“And let all the angels of God worship Him.”
JosephR
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Am I right BR , is this how you read John 1?
I believe that Jesus is the second person of the Trinity. I believe he is God the Son.
genuineoriginal
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Do you think it would make any real difference if God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit existed without being part of the trinity?
I find it difficult to support such a belief since the Bible is very clear that Jesus is the Son of God but has no clear statement that there is even such a thing as God the Son.
Yes, without one of the Trinity God can't exist. The text of the scriptures would be a lie.
keypurr
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God created everything through Christ, that would include angels.
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So that makes him an angel. Did you read the verse in Hebrews?
keypurr
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How does no Holy Spirit change the Scriptures?
keypurr
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At one time I considered him as Michael. But I do not any more. The son of God is in a class by himself. Just under his father.
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keypurr
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I do not believe that I said no Holy Spirit. I just speak of the trinity in itself. There is no need for a trinity in scriptures. God the Father can stand alone, thats what he was doing before the creation. The son came later as he is an express image of the Father. A spirit.
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Then what is the use of the Son and the Spirit, the second and the third persons?
genuineoriginal
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Why not?
God is the self-existing God.
Isaiah 43:10 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. |
I think you are confusing the extra-Biblical doctrine of the Trinity with the scriptures.
The text of the scriptures do not state that there is a Trinity.
The scriptures state that God existed before anything was created.
The scriptures state that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
Not one word of the scriptures would be false if there was no Trinity, but many hundreds of verses have become confusing if there is a Trinity.