oatmeal
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Thanks for your opinion.
God's word states otherwise.
Romans 10:9-10 gives us the two conditions to receive salvation.
I have met both, have you?
Jesus is God
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Thanks for your opinion.
God's word states otherwise.
Romans 10:9-10 gives us the two conditions to receive salvation.
I have met both, have you?
oatmeal
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Good point, but we do have an idea of a count of who believes error and who believes the truth
Krsto
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Ktoyou is just giving God a break from the arduous task of having to make all these difficult judgments so that God can be freed up for more important work. She'll probably end up serving at his right hand for her meritorious service, don't you think?
A better perspective on your verse.... God's chosen one!
NASB Luke 9:35 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Who's chosen one? That's right God's chosen one... not God himself!!!
Isa 42:1 "Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.
Moses was a Chosen one too....
Psa 106:23 Therefore He said that He would destroy them, Had not Moses His chosen one stood in the breach before Him, To turn away His wrath from destroying them.
Luk 23:35 And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, "He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One."
You have much to learn about Hebrew culture as you wander about scripture in your American view bermuda shorts wearing white socks and sandals with your dark scriptural blinding sunglasses.
If your God's chosen one.... then you can't be God! :think:
Jesus has a God and he tells you how important you know this fact!!! It's eternal life my friend!!!
Joh 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
You better get a clue that you may know what Jesus was talking about in John 17:3. Your posting like a biblical tourist! Get rid of the socks!
oly::sherlock:Paul
Is Jesus your father? When Jesus said, "Our Father which art in heaven" are you thinking he was praying to himself as the mighty God?
The Hebrew el is a generic term which in this case obviously does not refer to the Most High. The term actually refers to a mighty one, any mighty one. Even angels are referred to as el (Psalm 29:1)
Krsto
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Yes, delegated to him by the Father. That is not omnipotence.
Ability to be many places at once isn't omnipresence and he can only do it because God gave him the ability to do it.
Many humans get a "word of knowledge" from God. That's not omniscience.
But you say the divine person did know? That is an ancient heresy called Nestorianism which makes Jesus two people, one human and one divine. You can't retreat into, "His human nature didn't know." Either the person of Christ knew or he didn't. If he didn't he wasn't omniscient.
Both terms used for human representatives of God.
God made him both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36). IOW, his lordship was delegated to him by God the Father.
Again, delegated authority, not omnipotence.
Acts 2:36. One true Gods aren't appointed by anybody, else they wouldn't be one true Gods, by definition.
God the Father and anyone he chooses to be worshipped.
Amen.
Amen.
Jesus claiming to be able to do something the Father enables him to do is only equality in a certain sense and limited to what God allows. And yes, Jesus and the Father are one, but that has nothing to do with equality. Jesus prayed us believers would be one also, and his point was unity, not equality.
He said his Father is greater than him as a person, not "as the Son of Man." You make a false distinction.
Agreed.
Sloppy exegesis. "Mighty God" is not the same as "Almighty God." Jesus is never called Almighty God. Not once. Isa. 9:6 does nothing for your case.
Sorry my friend but Jesus is not God in heaven. He is still the man he was born and chosen to be!!!
Act 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; Act 7:56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
Jesus was at the right hand of GOD... Note not considered as GOD!!!
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
So... according to Paul and the rest of scripture.... Your mediator between you and God is a man named Jesus!!!:think:
I know... traditions of men die a hard death.
FYI... There is no creator Son in scripture just as you have a miss understanding of the term "Son of God." I suggest you do a Hebraic search on that term.
oly::sherlock:Paul
keypurr
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It never really says that Jesus is the creator, Christ did the creating. Jesus was born to Mary into the world created by Christ. The biggest half truth is seeing Jesus as the son sent to us when it was really Christ, the spiritual son that God sent.
There is a lot of controversy in the verse Isaiah 9:6, some say a mighty warrior. I do not build my faith on any single verse.
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There should be no controversy. The mighty "God" simply refers to a mighty one, any mighty one, even angels.
Almighty God would be El Shaddai.
keypurr
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Some folks will lean on a verse like that rather than go on to seek truth.
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Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
David's son/descendant is the Branch.
The Lord Jesus is the Branch.
The Lord Jesus is the King.
The name by which the Lord Jesus shall be called is The LORD/YHVH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
YHVH is one YHVH.
The Lord Jesus is YHVH/LORD Jesus our righteousness.
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Joh 8:24 I[Jesus] said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
David's son/descendant is the Branch.
The Lord Jesus is the Branch.
The Lord Jesus is the King.
The name by which the Lord Jesus shall be called is The LORD/YHVH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
YHVH is one YHVH.
The Lord Jesus is YHVH/LORD Jesus our righteousness.
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Joh 8:24 I[Jesus] said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
genuineoriginal
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He is given all power.
Matthew 28:18 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. |
Who gave Jesus all power?
That's dishonest, Jesus resurrected himself like he said. You are retelling the story in a different way.
The Father, now Jesus rules his own creation by rite.
keypurr
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Where did Jesus say he did in fact raise himself from the dead?
Jesus Cleanses the Temple
…18The Jews then said to Him, "What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?" 19Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20The Jews then said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"…
keypurr
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