Jesus is God !

[JudgeRightly]

Isaiah born 8th century BC, died 7th century BC. Jesus born in a window around the year 0.

4 B.C., to be precise.

Jesus also said:

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. - John 17:5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John17:5&version=NKJV

God Himself said:

I am the Lord, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images. - Isaiah 42:8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah42:8&version=NKJV

SO, either Jesus was lying about God sharing glory with Him, or Jesus is God.

While you have it in mind that Jesus is preincarnate Jesus God nothing can be explained to you.

You need to actually argue against what we're saying, not just make stuff up.

Preincarnate Jesus is called a Christophany, a type of theophany.

Was Moses Jesus? Was Noah Jesus? Was Abraham Jesus? Was Muhammad Jesus? Was Buddha Jesus? Was Krishna and Zoroaster Jesus?

The answer to all of these questions is "No."

They all produced religions that had many Teachings similar to that of Jesus and the OT.

So what?

Will the returning Jesus be actually Jesus or a spirit like Jesus?

It will be Jesus Himself, in the flesh, in the same body that was crucified, buried, and raised.

God the father, God the Holy Spirit sent preincarnate Jesus God. 1 = 3. I don't think so.

No, not "1=3."

3 Persons.
1 God.

That line is about as nonsensical as religious belief can get.

Appeal to the stone.

You are indoctrinated with this belief without ever questioning its utter implausibility.

What is implausible about it?

What is so implausible about the one God being three Persons?

 

[7djengo7]

The answer to all of these questions is "No."

And the point of any of them is anyone's guess.

 

[way 2 go]

Isaiah born 8th century BC, died 7th century BC. Jesus born in a window around the year 0.

so it's Isaiah now not God



Isaiah 48
12 Listen to me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 My hand also has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens. I called; they stood up together.
14 Let all of you gather and hear; who among them has declared these things? The LORD has loved him; He will do His pleasure on Babylon, and His arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, I, have spoken; yea, I have called him; I brought him and he makes his way succeed.
16 Come near to me, hear this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning. From its being, I was there; and now the Lord Jehovah, and His Spirit, has sent me.

While you have it in mind that Jesus is preincarnate Jesus God nothing can be explained to you. Was Moses Jesus? Was Noah Jesus? Was Abraham Jesus? Was Muhammad Jesus? Was Buddha Jesus? Was Krishna and Zoroaster Jesus? They all produced religions that had many Teachings similar to that of Jesus and the OT.

Will the returning Jesus be actually Jesus or a spirit like Jesus?

God the father, God the Holy Spirit sent preincarnate Jesus God. 1 = 3. I don't think so.

That line is about as nonsensical as religious belief can get. You are indoctrinated with this belief without ever questioning its utter implausibility.

 

[7djengo7]

I was there; and now the Lord Jehovah, and His Spirit, has sent me.

According to @blueboy's satanic, Christ-blaspeming mindset, that should be read:

I was NOT there; and now the Lord Jehovah, and His Spirit, has NOT sent me.

 

[beloved57]

I believe 2 Pet 1:1 declares that Jesus Christ is God and Saviour

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Now Im no greek scholar, but I do study some who are, and in the original there is one article before God, the God and our Saviour Jesus Christ the word and being an explicative, the sense is: Through the righteousness of our God, even our Saviour Jesus Christ, who is God:

2 Peter 1:1 Commentaries: Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

 

[blueboy]

According to @blueboy's satanic, Christ-blaspeming mindset, that should be read:

They're your words, brother. It might serve you better to ignore me rather than write what you do. You are imagining this stuff up from a very dark place.

 

[blueboy]

so it's Isaiah now not God



Isaiah 48
12 Listen to me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 My hand also has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens. I called; they stood up together.
14 Let all of you gather and hear; who among them has declared these things? The LORD has loved him; He will do His pleasure on Babylon, and His arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, I, have spoken; yea, I have called him; I brought him and he makes his way succeed.
16 Come near to me, hear this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning. From its being, I was there; and now the Lord Jehovah, and His Spirit, has sent me.


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I'm not sure if you are being deliberately ignorant, or it comes naturally to you. All Scripture is Divinely Inspired. All the writers of the Bible in some way served the Will of God, including Jesus. God Inspired these writers to write what they did, or preach what they did. In this sense it is God who is inspiring the written word.

I think the spirit of Christ dwelt with God from the beginning that has no beginning, but so did Abraham, Noah, Moses, Buddha, Zoroaster, Krishna, etc. They are all one.

 

[Right Divider]

I'm not sure if you are being deliberately ignorant, or it comes naturally to you. All Scripture is Divinely Inspired. All the writers of the Bible in some way served the Will of God, including Jesus. God Inspired these writers to write what they did, or preach what they did. In this sense it is God who is inspiring the written word.

I think the spirit of Christ dwelt with God from the beginning that has no beginning, but so did Abraham, Noah, Moses, Buddha, Zoroaster, Krishna, etc. They are all one.

You just keep piling on your heretical comments.

 

[blueboy]

4 B.C., to be precise.

Jesus also said:

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. - John 17:5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John17:5&version=NKJV

God Himself said:

I am the Lord, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images. - Isaiah 42:8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah42:8&version=NKJV

SO, either Jesus was lying about God sharing glory with Him, or Jesus is God.



You need to actually argue against what we're saying, not just make stuff up.

Preincarnate Jesus is called a Christophany, a type of theophany.



The answer to all of these questions is "No."



So what?



It will be Jesus Himself, in the flesh, in the same body that was crucified, buried, and raised.



No, not "1=3."

3 Persons.
1 God.



Appeal to the stone.



What is implausible about it?

What is so implausible about the one God being three Persons?

4 B.C., to be precise. Alas, we can not be that precise, but we can be grateful that He was born.

SO, either Jesus was lying about God sharing glory with Him, or Jesus is God. What a black and white fellow you are. Sharing glory is not being God. Jesus is the earthly representative of God, he has God's authority, He speaks what He was Willed to speak on behalf of God. God is transcendent and does not enter a lower state of being, the physical dimension. Jesus is the human, Primal Point of interaction between God and man. This does not in any way make Jesus a literal aspect of the Essence of God. No Scripture suggest this, unless it is misunderstood.

Preincarnate Jesus is called a Christophany, a type of theophany. The power of the spirit of Christ was not that of a mere human. He no doubt could have appeared if He so wished. I believe this is an aspect of the truth regarding the risen Christ. None of this requires Jesus to be God. How am I not arguing again what you are saying?

Jesus did not mention a specific Trinity as believed by you, He expressed subservience, nor did God outline your version of the Trinity, nor did any of the Disciples suggest your version of the Trinity and it does not occur in the Bible. It is a human construct, we know when it occurred and it is very close to heresy.

A Trinity does exist is the essential connection of Servant, Master and the Will of said Master, without any suggestion that transcendent God is compromised by parts.

What is so implausible about the one God being three Persons? Please, you're a clever guy. You write beautifully, so you have a good mind. Just read that line again and give it some thought. How can the illogical be made logical? It can not!

You are following a misunderstanding that has been perpetuated since the First Council of Nicaea. They were trying to appease Constantine and in doing so they painted themselves into a corner. God is transcendent, not a partitioned. You can't make a God of three parts, one God, that is utterly nonsensical.

None of this diminishes God, or the sublime Station of Jesus, or the dynamic Will of God that enabled Jesus to conquer the hearts and souls of humanity.

 

[7djengo7]

They're your words, brother.

What are?

It might serve you better to ignore me rather than write what you do.

You'd prefer me to "ignore" you (whatever you mean by that), why?

You are imagining this stuff up from a very dark place.

Where'd you get that silly line? From a movie? A comic book?

 

[Idolater]

Not advocating atheism, nor any departure from Christian ethics, virtues or morality, so I'm not sure what your post was addressing. Perhaps you were rehearsing a talk you are giving later. It wasn't a bad read all the same.

Are you defending, going to church weekly, and chastity, or not? Are you, iow, OK with people freely promoting not going to church, and not being chaste, as absolute values?

 

[Idolater]

...Isaiah 48
12 Listen to me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 My hand also has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens. I called; they stood up together.
14 Let all of you gather and hear; who among them has declared these things? The LORD has loved him; He will do His pleasure on Babylon, and His arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, I, have spoken; yea, I have called him; I brought him and he makes his way succeed.
16 Come near to me, hear this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning. From its being, I was there; and now the Lord Jehovah, and His Spirit, has sent me.

Pretty awesome.

 

[JudgeRightly]

4 B.C., to be precise. Alas, we can not be that precise,

Uh, yes, we can...

The Birth of Jesus Christ | Bible.org

Preface The following is part of a short series of devotional items related to the birth of Christ. For some, such material is hardly devotional because it primarily focuses on history. But we must keep in mind that the Jesus we worship was truly born in time-space history. And that babe in the...

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SO, either Jesus was lying about God sharing glory with Him, or Jesus is God. What a black and white fellow you are.

That's how clear the Bible is. I'm simply showing you what the Bible says.

Sharing glory is not being God.

What part of "I will not share My glory with another" and "glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" do you not understand?

Was God lying in Isaiah 42:8 when He said that?

In fact, the entire first 9 verses of Isaiah 42 are about Jesus!

“Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street.A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth.He will not fail nor be discouraged, Till He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands shall wait for His law.”Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, And spirit to those who walk on it:“I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles,To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the prison, Those who sit in darkness from the prison house.I am the Lord, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images.Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them.” - Isaiah 42:1-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah42:1-9&version=NKJV

"in whom My soul delights" - Luke 3:22
"I have put My Spirit upon Him" - Luke 3:22
"He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street" - Jesus said nothing as they abused Him before leading Him to be crucified
"Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out..." - God Himself is speaking:
"I am the Lord, that is My name;" - God is identifying Himself again, to add emphasis
"And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images" - God is stating unequivocally that He alone deserves His glory.

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. - John 17:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John17:1-5&version=NKJV

Either Jesus was lying in John 17:5, in that He never shared in God's glory, or God was lying, in that He does give His glory to another, or Jesus is God, in that Jesus and the Father, both the one true God, share glory within the Godhead.

Jesus is the earthly representative of God,

Yes, He is.

he has God's authority,

Yes, He does.

He speaks what He was Willed to speak on behalf of God.

No.

He said:

For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.” - John 12:49-50 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John12:49-50&version=NKJV

He speaks according to what His Father tells Him to speak.

The word "God" isn't used here for a reason.

God is transcendent and does not enter a lower state of being, the physical dimension.

Saying it doesn't make it so, and you have done nothing to establish this claim.

On the other hand, Scripture is clear:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.He was in the beginning with God.All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe.He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. - John 1:1-18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John1:1-18&version=NKJV

Jesus is the human, Primal Point of interaction between God and man.

New-age mumbo jumbo.

Here's what Scripture says:

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying— a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth. - 1 Timothy 2:3-7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Timothy2:3-7&version=NKJV

This does not in any way make Jesus a literal aspect of the Essence of God. No Scripture suggest this, unless it is misunderstood.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

Preincarnate Jesus is called a Christophany, a type of theophany. The power of the spirit of Christ was not that of a mere human.

Thanks for contradicting yourself.

Humans don't exist before they are conceived in their mothers' wombs. Jesus claimed to exist long before He was conceived, AT LEAST TWICE, and Scripture testifies to His claims.

Christ was BOTH the Son of God, and the Son of Man, the latter being His favorite title for Himself.

He no doubt could have appeared if He so wished.

Again, the problem is that you, as far as I am aware, claim that Jesus was human, and nothing more than that, which means that He didn't exist prior to His conception in Mary's virgin womb (which is also evidence that He is God, by the way)

I believe this is an aspect of the truth regarding the risen Christ.

No human has the power to appear spiritually before they exist.

None of this requires Jesus to be God.

Saying it doesn't make it so, and you're wrong.

ALL of it requires Jesus to be God.

How am I not arguing again what you are saying?

Because your claims are self-contradictory. Mine are not.

Jesus did not mention a specific Trinity as believed by you,

So what?

He expressed subservience,

Yes, and?

Presenting what I believe, as an argument against what I believe, won't work for you.

nor did God outline your version of the Trinity,

Yes, He did.

nor did any of the Disciples suggest your version of the Trinity

So what?

and it does not occur in the Bible.

Just because the word "Trinity" is not used in the Bible doesn't mean the concept isn't taught by it.

It is a human construct, we know when it occurred and it is very close to heresy.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

A Trinity does exist is the essential connection of Servant, Master and the Will of said Master, without any suggestion that transcendent God is compromised by parts.

More new-age nonsense, followed by a straw man.

Our claim is not that God is made of parts, let alone compromised by such. Unless you meant "comprised," in which case it's still a straw man, because that's not our position.

What is so implausible about the one God being three Persons? Please, you're a clever guy.

I'm a fallible human, prone to making mistakes that I can't recognize, subject to the Dunning-Kruger effect just like everyone else.

You write beautifully, so you have a good mind.

Irrelevant.

Just read that line again and give it some thought.

As I said above, I'm a fallible human. I'm asking you to show me what you can apparently see that I apparently cannot.

What is implausible about the one God being three Persons?

How can the illogical be made logical? It can not!

Begging the question.

You need to establish that "the one God being three Persons" is illogical. You have not done so, and it's why I'm asking you to explain for me why it is implausible for the one God to be Three Persons.

Nor do we claim that the illogical is logical. Quite the opposite in fact, that God is a rational Being, and that includes His existence.

You are following a misunderstanding

Then explain the misunderstanding in a way that comports with what the entire Bible says.

that has been perpetuated since the First Council of Nicaea.

The concept of God being a plurality goes back to Moses, the first of the authors of the Bible.

They were trying to appease Constantine and in doing so they painted themselves into a corner.

You keep bringing up human councils, and I'm pointing to something those councils were discussing that precedes those councils.

Not to mention that those councils were made up of fallible humans who were not inspired by God.

Scripture was scripture the moment it was written, not when it was compiled into a library of books by a group of men.

God is transcendent,

But not irrational.

not a partitioned.

Straw man.

You can't make a God of three parts, one God, that is utterly nonsensical.

Another straw man.

We agree that God is not made of parts, blueboy. Can you please stop accusing us of believing it?

None of this diminishes God,

Saying that God is not what He is does diminish God.

That's why it's important to know the truth.

or the sublime Station of Jesus,

As I've said before, you focus too much on the "station" (whatever that means) of Jesus, rather than WHO Jesus said He was.

or the dynamic Will of God that enabled Jesus to conquer the hearts and souls of humanity.

New age-nonsense.

The focus of Jesus' ministry was on Himself.

What does the Bible say about the deity of Christ? For centuries, as affirmed at the Council of Nicea, Christians have used a wonderful list of verses to demonstrate from God's Word the deity of Jesus Christ. Here is another very different approach to show the same truth. (This is similar to the "Big Picture" approach used in the overview of the Bible called The Plot.) Thus Saith the Lord: If we count how many times the Old Testament prophets said, "Thus says the Lord" we find them using that phrase, in the New King James Version of the Bible, about 420 times. The New Testament on the other hand, never once records that phrase. Jesus Christ, with all the red ink devoted to recording His words, never once used that ubiquitous phrase, "Thus saith the Lord." Rather, Jesus proclaims, "I say to you," in the Gospels! Not a single "Thus says the Lord," but rather, "I say to you," 135 times. The following chart demonstrates biblically that these two phrases, Thus saith the Lord, and I say unto you, indicate the same thing, that God is speaking. For Jesus Christ made it clear that He Himself was at the heart of His message. Unlike the righteous priests and kings, prophets and the apostles, the Lord came to teach us about Himself: Christ's Self-focus: "Follow Me" 19x Mt. 4:19; 8:22; 10:38; 16:24; 19:21; Mk. 1:17; 2:14; 8:34; 10:21; Lk. 5:27; 9:59; 18:22; Jn. 1:43; 8:12; 10:27; 12:26; 13:36; 21:19, 22 Pray and act "in My name" 18x Mt. 7:22; 18:5; 18:20; [24:5]; Mk. 9:37, 39, 41; [13:6]; Lk. 9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; Jn. 14:13-14; 15:16; 16:23-24, 26; Acts 9:15 "the Holy Spirit" comes "in My name" Jn. 14:26 "for My name's sake" leave family and property Mt. 19:29; or even be killed 5x Mt. 24:9; [Lk. 21:12, 17;] Jn. 15:21; Acts 9:16 Believe in the "name of the… Son" and "in the Son" 3x Jn. 3:18, 36; 9:35 and "in Him [Jesus]" 4x Jn. 3:18; 6:29, 40; 8:31 "believe in Me" 14x Mt. 18:6; Mk. 9:42; Jn. 3:15-16, 18; 6:35, 47; 7:38; 11:25, 26; 12:44, 46; 14:1, 12; 16:8; 17:20 You "are sanctified by faith in Me" Acts 26:18 Live "in Me" Jn. 11:26 "come after Me" Mk. 8:34; Lk. 14:27 Abide "in Me" Jn. 15:2, 4:5, 7 "abide in Me" or else Jn. 15:6 "abide in My love" Jn. 15:9-10 "where two or three are gathered" Jesus is "there in the midst of them" Mt. 18:20 So too: "I [Jesus, will abide] in you" Jn. 15:4-5 "know that I am He" Jn. 8:28 or "if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins" Jn. 8:24 Do things "for My sake" Mt. 10:22, 39; even lose your life "for My sake" 4x Mt. 16:25; Mk. 8:35; 10:29; Lk. 6:22 "I never knew you, depart from Me" Mt. 7:23 "I am willing; be cleansed" Mt. 8:3; Mk.. 1:41 "confess Me" Mt. 10:32; Lk. 12:8 Do not deny "Me" 7x Mt. 10:33; 26:34; Mk. 14:30, 72; Lk. 12:9; 22:34; Jn. 13:38 Do not be "ashamed of Me" Mk. 8:38; Lk. 9:26 nor "My words" "love Me" 5x Jn. 14:15, 21, 23-24, 28 Do not reject "Me" Lk. 10:16; Jn. 12:48 "He who is not with Me is against Me" Lk. 11:23 Love Me "more than" your family members Mt. 10:37; [Lk. 14:26] "I… have loved you" Jn. 15:9, 12 Be "worthy of Me" Mt. 10:37-38 "Come to Me" 5x Mt. 11:28; Lk. 6:47; Jn. 5:40; 6:35; 7:37 "I will give you rest" Mt. 11:28 "For My yoke is easy and My burden is light" Mt. 11:30 I am "greater than the temple" "than Jonah" "than Solomon" Mt. 12:6, 41-42 I am "Lord even of the Sabbath" Mt. 12:8; Mk. 2:28; Lk. 6:5 [Lord of God's Ten Commandments] Thus He says keep "My commandments" 4x Jn. 14:15, 21; 15:10, 12 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you" Jn. 15:14 "keep My word" Jn. 14:23-24 "He who is not with Me is against Me" Mt. 12:30 The angels are "His angels" Mt. 13:41; 16:27 and He commands "His angels" Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27 The kingdom is "His kingdom" Mt. 13:41 and He calls it "My kingdom" Lk. 22:30 Jesus called it "My church" Mt. 16:18 and believers are "My sheep" Jn. 10:14, 27 and they are "His elect" Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27 Paul is a "vessel of Mine to bear My name" Acts 9:15 "all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine" Jn. 17:10 "My peace I give" Jn. 14:27 "in Me you may have peace" Jn. 16:33 "My joy" should fill you Jn. 15:11 "Who do men say that I am?" Mt. 16:13; Mk. 8:27 "who do you say that I am?" Mt. 16:15 Receive "Me" Mt. 18:5; Mk. 9:37; Lk. 9:48 Heaven and earth will pass away but "My words" will never Mt. [5:18] 24:35; Mk. 13:31; Lk. 21:33 Tell others about Jesus Mk. 5:19 "you belong to Christ" Mk. 9:41 Hear "My sayings" and do them Lk. 6:47 Jesus has "His own glory" Lk. 9:26; [Jn. 2:11; 16:14] The Son is "glorified" 8x Jn. 11:4; 12:23; 13:31-32; [17:1, 5, 10 24] "He who hears you hears Me" Lk. 10:16 Jesus expects praise, from stones if necessary Lk. 19:37-40 Return "to Me" Lk. 22:32 Be "My disciple" Lk. 14:27; Jn. 8:31; 15:8 Forsake all to "be My disciple" Lk. 14:33 "you are My disciples" Jn. 13:35 "I shall send… the [Holy] Spirit" Jn. 15:26; 16:7 The Holy Spirit "will testify of Me" Jn. 15:26 We read in John 5 and Luke 24 that "the Scriptures… testify of Me" Jn. 5:39; [Lk. 24:44] "You [Apostles] also will bear witness [of Me] because you have been with Me" Jn. 15:27 Paul gives "testimony concerning Me" Acts 22:18; 23:11 "the Son gives life to whom He will" Jn. 5:21 "seek Me" Jn. 6:26 Serve "Me" Jn. 12:26 "all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father" Jn. 5:23 "I am the bread of life," "of heaven," "of God" Jn. 6: 32-33, 35, 41, [48,] 51 Just seeing Christ is reason enough to believe in Him Jn. 6:36 [56] Drink "My blood" and eat "My flesh" Jn. 6:53-54, 56 "I will raise him up at the last day" Jn. 6:40 for He is the resurrection "The world… hates Me" Jn. 7:7 "I am the light of the world" Jn. 8:12; 9:5; 12:46 "I bear witness of Myself" Jn. 8:13-14, 18 "know… Jesus Christ" for "eternal life" Jn. 17:3; [8:19; 10:10, 14] "the Son makes you free" Jn. 8:36 "Abraham rejoiced to see My day" Jn. 8:56; "Before Abraham was, I AM" Jn. 8:58 Of believers, Christ said, "I know them" Jn. 10:27 "I give them eternal life" Jn. 10:28 "I am the resurrection and the life" Jn. 11:25 I "will draw all peoples to Myself" Jn. 12:32 "I will… receive you to Myself" Jn. 14:3 Be "Mine" Jn. 14:24 "I am the vine" Jn. 15:5 "without Me you can do nothing" Jn. 15:5 "Because I live, you will live also." Jn. 14:19 "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you" Jn. 15:16 Those who oppress Christians are "persecuting Me" Acts 9:4-5; 22:7-8; 26:14-15 "because they have not known… Me" Jn. 16:3 The Spirit "will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it" Jn. 16:14 "All things that the Father has are Mine" Jn. 16:15 "Whatever He [the Father] does, the Son does" Jn. 5:19 "the Father… loves you, because you have loved Me" Jn. 16:27 "If I will that he remain" Jn. 21:22 "I have overcome the world" Jn. 16:33 "I am the way" Jn. 14:6 "I am… the truth" Jn. 14:6 "I am… the life" Jn. 14:6 "I will… manifest Myself" Jn. 14:21 Scores of times Jesus uses the personal pronoun My with words like commandments, sake, words, lambs, sheep, peace, love, joy, voice, name, sayings, kingdom, angels, and church. Three examples powerfully illustrate the point. First, "Abraham rejoiced to see My day..." Secondly, "I know My sheep, and am known by My own." And thirdly, "Assuredly, I say to you... Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." The prophets and John were the messengers; Jesus is the Message, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and put Himself at the center of His message, because He is God.

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[beloved57]

Another scripture that denotes the plurality of the One God, is found in Isa 54:5

5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

The words Maker and Husband here in the original is plural, Makers Husbands and of course these are in accordance with the word for God Elohim denoting also a plurality in the One God.

 

[Clete]

If Jesus died then he is not God for God can not die.

Paul says he is the image of God, not God.

You are not a christian!

 

[Right Divider]

You are not a christian!

Replying to a post from 2012?

 

[Sherman]

You are not a christian!

Keypurr has not posted since August of last year and he's in his 80's. I have my doubts he will be posting very much again. He used to be very active on this site.

 

[Clete]

Replying to a post from 2012?

I just saw a link to the thread on the home page and started reading. I saw Keypurr's post and just reacted. I didn't notice how old it was until after I had already hit the post button.

At least the guy made an argument, though! I wish I had seen the post back then. Maybe I could have explained how his objection is based on a false premise.

Missed opportunity.

 

[way 2 go]

I'm not sure if you are being deliberately ignorant, or it comes naturally to you.

confession through projection

All Scripture is Divinely Inspired. All the writers of the Bible in some way served the Will of God, including Jesus.

Jesus is God and wrote the bible as the bible is the word of God

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

God Inspired these writers to write what they did, or preach what they did. In this sense it is God who is inspiring the written word.

who is

"I am He; I am the first, I also am the last." . who is this?

"My hand also has laid the foundation of the earth," . who is this?

"I was there"? . who is this?

"sent Me" ? . who is this?

Isaiah 48
12 Listen to me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 My hand also has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens. I called; they stood up together.
14 Let all of you gather and hear; who among them has declared these things? The LORD has loved him; He will do His pleasure on Babylon, and His arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, I, have spoken; yea, I have called him; I brought him and he makes his way succeed.
16 Come near to me, hear this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning. From its being, I was there; and now the Lord Jehovah, and His Spirit, has sent me.

I think the spirit of Christ dwelt with God from the beginning that has no beginning,

contradictory statement , explain ?

but so did Abraham, Noah, Moses,

no , but Abraham, Noah, Moses are with God in heaven now

Buddha, Zoroaster, Krishna, etc.

buddha, zoroaster, krishna are in Hades with the richman

and the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luke 16:23 and in the hades having lifted up his eyes, being in torments, he doth see Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom,

They are all one.

they are all one what ?

 

[Ps82]

There is ONE invisible eternal infinite omni-present all-powerful Spiritual God ... but remember HE was/is a Creator. IOW, he creates things! Where are these things? Ans. WITHIN HIM. He is the source of all things and encompasses all things. Now, the first of all creatures HE created was an IMAGE for himself! A whole book could be written on this revelation but I won't. I will merely add my input within a few passages.

KJV Colossians 1:15 -17 [Jesus], who is the image of the invisible God, the first born of every creature 16 For by him were all things created,that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Think about it this way: John 1:1... Jesus was the WORD who was with God and was God; therefore, Jesus was NOT CREATED. He eternally existed as God being HIS WORD. So what was created in the verse above? I'll place the appositive right after the noun it describes. Watch.

[Jesus]who is [seen as] the IMAGE, THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY CREATURE, of the invisible God... 17 By him [Jesus who was the WORD of God who was God and who was seen by men bearing the likeness of the image created for GOD'S purposes] ALL THINGS were created by him and for him. 17 And he [being God] is before all things, and by him all things consist.

ONE invisible God correctly created ONE visible IMAGE to represent the truth about his being the only God. He also created IT to use for his purposes of being seen within the realms he created with sentient creatures. God's visible presence became known as LORD God the Father/YHWH.

Now, so far we recognize ONE God as two personages. 1.) the infinite ONE Spiritual invisible God
2.) God the Father/YHWH whom Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knew only as God Almighty. His name YHWH was only revealed much later to Moses who inserted it into his writings.

According to Genesis 2, this glorious presence of YHWH/LORD was shared by all of God including HIS WORD. It is said: Let US make man after the likeness of OUR [one] image! The WORD was there as God and as one who was with God; so there is a hidden third person represented by the image of the Father. One might say: the Father and the WORD shared the GLORIOUS presence from the beginning while appearing as the ONE GOD. According to this insight within the Old Testament one might say : When you have seen the Father, you have seen the Son. Or then again in the New Testament Jesus might say: When you have seen me, Jesus the begotten Son, you have seen the Father.

You see they SHARED THE GLORY of the created presence belonging to the ONE God from the beginning of all things. The THREE in one. Jesus requested that he receive back the same GLORY he once had with/shared with the Father from the beginning!

Now, this next verse should finish the concept of three personages and who was Jesus:
John 1:18 KJV paraphrased by me in order to reveal three insights:
1.) placing the appositive next to the noun it describes
2.) putting the adverbial prepositional phrase in front of the verb it modifies
3.) Identifying the antecedents for the pronouns he and him

No man at any time hath seen GOD, THE BEGOTTEN SON, who is [by this time] in the bosom of the Father, he [John the Baptist who made straight the way for the Messiah] has declared HIM [to us as being God the promised Son/Messiah].

Last comments: This verse does not say no one had seen the glory of God the Father; it tells us that it was the first time anyone had seen God as the Son begotten in flesh.

This makes personage number three and all were/are the ONE God. They are HE. HE is They.