No. You haven't earned that.
You can be saved by believing in Jesus. But Jesus wants you to receive Him in the Eucharist too. It's not one or the other, it's both.
Much more than that. As far as the sacraments we disagree but I actually know the stance the RC has taken on Protestants and our disagreements. Don't overstate.
That does sound inconsistent with belief in Christ. But I haven't witnessed Caino doing that. And we're not conversing with the Urantia book author here. If we were, then that would be different. Did Caino write that book?
He has over 500 pages of him agreeing with it AND lambasting Christian beliefs.
I am not dealing with a group i t t, just with the user Caino. And your nastiness here, is intriguing. You don't have the reputation for being so impolite but here you are personally trying to insult me for a third time in this one post, and you're not done yet.
It is His and Freelight's thread.
Extend a friendly hand, and invite to Mass. There's just one right way to conceive of Jesus, and it's the Catholic way, I haven't made any bones about that, not once.
And Caino has born witness that He is risen from the dead.
It isn't enough. You really SHOULD read some of that thread. It is frontal attack on tenants of Salvation in Jesus Christ.
You'd get shellacked anyway. I get it.
Maybe from Trump Girl, but from you? :nono:
That wasn't my belief, that's what the authentic bishops all teach, both Catholic and Orthodox: they all to a man teach that Jesus is God. Which is literally the TITLE of this thread.
Those exact words aren't found in either John 3:16 or Romans 10:9.
You're invoking 'soteriology' here, you're saying that if someone's soteriology is wrong, then they're not really Christians.
Er, no. Again this is a lack of discernment on your part. The demons believe in God too. James said it. Any bishop ignoring James? Not good, not Catholic.
You're acting as if I should be ashamed to not be familiar with this 'doctrine'.
No, rather that, in ignorance, you extend your hand in fellowship to one who not only denies, but attacks (read the thread) my as well as your faith.
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I don't judge users based on what other users say against them. I wait and see. Sometimes, the accusers are right, and sometimes they're not. Either way I don't see any reason to veer from my policy in dealing with anonymous internet discussion board users.
Caino claims to believe in His Resurrection, to believe that the Lord Jesus is the Son of God, but it's true that I've only witnessed Caino agreeing that the Resurrection is historical fact, and I have not witnessed Caino calling Him 'Lord'.
I believe you. It seems you've spent a lot of time studying the contents of Urantia book.
ONLY because of the challenge to do so. I was, at the time, trying to show them how foolish it was. They don't care and really don't care to be corrected. They rather are false teacher-wanna-bes.
Er, purposeful ignorance THEN ignorance? Yes, yes you are! Sorry, fact.
You know how many wrong ways there are to conceive of Christ? Plenty, tons, boatloads of wrong ways to think of Him.
You think of Him wrongly in one way, Caino in another, NWL in another, RD in another. All different ways, all different variations.
If Catholicism means to believe that the only authentic Christians who are not Catholic, are those who believe in Christ precisely as Catholicism does, then that would basically limit those who might be saved to Catholics, and to people who are Catholic in all ways but bodily, i o w up-and-coming future converts. And everybody else is damned and lost, and that would include you.
Er, nope. I was baptized Catholic. A good many on TOL were, including the former owner Knight. It isn't how 'many' are wrong but 1) How badly wrong 2) Whether the doctrine is salvific and 3) how purposeful and opposed to it. Inviting one to Mass is one thing. Calling them 'Christian' is quite another. There is very little 'like Christ' in the Urantia thread, but being PURPOSEFULLY ignorant, you wouldn't know about that.
That's not Catholic. That's demonic. Which is really more of a Noncatholic thing.
Not the point. We are talking about being 'welcoming' which is fine, and then we are talking about the term 'Christ-like.' Imho, you are naive about what that term means.
I am sure that you are right, but again I'm not dealing with a group, but a single user on TOL, and I'm dealing with this user based on what I see with my own eyes, and not based on what other users who clearly have an ax to grind accuse them of.
Ax? Double-edged sword and one man sharpening another. The issue here is, I don't want you calling me and one who denies the Savior's dying work on the cross 'Christian' in the same breath. In addition, it was/is an opportunity for correction on your VERY promiscuous indiscriminate litmus. There is also scriptures that call God's people to come out from among and be holy.
You continue to repeat this. Even though the verse literally says that they believe in One God. And that's it. It's irrelevant to literally everything, as there are no polytheists participating i t t.
Not the point. Answer: Do demons, in fact, know Jesus Christ was raised from the dead? Do they know He is Lord? (Yes and yes, thus your litmus fails).
Shrug.
You literally know nothing about my faith. And, you do not believe my faith either.
WAAAAY overstated. Of course I know Catholic doctrine AND the line you are supposed to toe there. We can talk about other things after this, but Caino believes Jesus is 'god' in the same way he is also 'god.'
Incorrect. True. I've lost my link, but there are many Catholics that give a very clear warning about calling just anyone a Christian. You don't even seem to be informed of those warnings given by Catholics. You can do as you like of course, but I'm insisting that Caino doesn't fit the parameters. Why? To relegate him to disdain? No. I cannot, in good conscience, give him any hope of salvation apart from the saving work of Jesus Christ (which he disdains and finds barbaric). Who should come in and say "you don't need to change a thing, you are just fine with me and Christ." You may not mean to do that, but it is what you've done. You've asked me 'why' I spent hours on a Urantia thread? Because I care and DON'T want to see them in trouble on the Judgement Day. Therefore, it has been necessary to correct you over this as well. Freelight and Caino desperately need the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2, the very thing he rejects.
I hope you're all torn up about it.
Whatever it'll take, for you to go to Mass.
Convert.
2 Corinthians 5:17 "If any man is in Christ, He is a new creation, the old has passed away." If he/she is in Christ, they are converted, by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. No Catholic, who is newly recreated in his/her nature to be a new creation, can or will disagree with me on this. AT LEAST I can appeal to scripture with you, not so with Caino who sees a good percentage of scripture as 'not from God' including the Apostle Paul.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works, so that no man can boast. Because we are God's handiwork, recreated in Christ to do every good thing which God has prepared already, for us to do.
-Lon