Jesus is God !

[keypurr]

Not a single solitary original language verb employed with Jesus' incarnation even hints that He was 'created.

Try again, pops...

Both the logos and Jesus are creations; Jesus was a man born to Mary. Every man born is a creature/creation.

The logos (son) is also a creation for he/it is the express image of the Father, ALL IMAGES ARE A CREATED.

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

 

[drbrumley]

Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

are you like ignoring me [MENTION=3801]keypurr[/MENTION]?

 

[drbrumley]

There is a lot you do not know about me life is good

So you're God then?

 

[drbrumley]

Let's see [MENTION=3801]keypurr[/MENTION], you have asserted the trinity was never thought of until the 3rd or 4th centuries. Proven false. Ignatius was a disciple of the Apostle John.



and elected through the true passion by the will of the Father, and Jesus Christ, our God

God existing in the flesh

Our Lord and God, Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God

For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God

God Himself being manifested in human form for the renewal of eternal life.

God being manifested as man

We have also as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began.

Ignatius

 

[lifeisgood]

There is a lot you do not know about me life is good

Obviously, for I am NOT God, unlike you that say you can read people's thoughts.

 

[Tambora]

Heb 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

See, none of those verses say that not all things created were created by Him.

 

[Tambora]

Another famous Jewish scholar, Rabbi Eliezer Hakkalir, who lived at the time of Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai, also taught the scriptural doctrine that there were three distinct Beings revealed in the one unified Godhead. In his commentary on Genesis 1:1, Rabbi Hakkalir wrote the following:

When God created the world, He created it through the Three Sephiroth, namely, through Sepher, Sapher and Vesaphur, by which the Three twywh (Beings) are meant . . . The Rabbi, my Lord Teacher of blessed memory, explained Sepher, Sapher, and Sippur, to be synonymous to Ja, Jehovah, and Elohim meaning to say, that the world was created by these three names.​

 

[Tambora]

Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai (lived in 1st and 2nd century) wrote a fascinating passage recorded in the Zohar that is as clear a discussion of the mystery of the Trinity as you could find in any Christian theology text. Rabbi Simeon comments on the text found in Deuteronomy 32:39: "See now that I, I am he, and Elohim is not with me."

He said:

"Friends, here are some profound mysteries which I desire to reveal to you now that permission has been given to utter them. Who is it that says, 'See now that I, I am He?' This is the Cause which is above all those on high, that which is called the Cause of causes. It is above those other causes, since none of those causes does anything till it obtains permission from that which is above it, as we pointed out above in respect to the expression, 'Let us make man.' 'Us' certainly refers to two, of which one said to the other above it, 'Let us make,' nor did it do anything save with the permission and direction of the one above it, while the one above did nothing without consulting its colleague. But that which is called 'the Cause above all causes,' which has no superior or even equal, as it is written, 'To whom shall ye liken me, that I should be equal?' (referring to Isaiah 40:25), said, 'See now that I, I am he, and Elohim is not with me,' from whom he should take counsel, like that of which it is written, 'and God said, Let us make man.'"​

 

[Tambora]

Another book written by Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai, known as The Propositions of the Zohar, records the mystery of the Shechinah glory of God in these words.

. . . the exalted Shechinah comprehends the Three highest Sephiroth; of Him (God) it is said, (Ps. lxii. 12), "God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this." Once and twice means the Three exalted Sephiroth, of whom it is said: Once, once, and once; that is, Three united in One. This is the mystery.

- Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai, The Propositions of the Zohar, cap. 38, Amsterdam edition. 113​

 

[Tambora]

How can they (the three) be One? Are they verily One, because we call them One ?

How Three can be One, can only be known through the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

- Zohar, vol. ii. p. 43, versa., 22


Come and see the mystery of the word hwhy, Jehova: there are three steps, each existing by itself; nevertheless they are One, and so united that one cannot be separated from the other.

- Zohar, vol. iii. Amsterdam edition. 65


The Ancient Holy One is revealed with three Heads, which are united in One, and that Head is thrice exalted. The Ancient Holy one is described as being Three; it is because the other Lights emanating from Him are included in the Three. Yet the Ancient One is described as being two. The Ancient One includes these two. He is the Crown of all that is exalted; the Chief of the chief, so exalted, that He cannot be known to perfection. Thus the other lights are two complete ones, yet is the Ancient Holy One described complete as one, and He is one, positively one; thus are the other lights united and glorified in because they are one.

- Zohar, vol. iii. Amsterdam edition. 288

 

[Tambora]

Let's see @keypurr, you have asserted the trinity was never thought of until the 3rd or 4th centuries. Proven false. Ignatius was a disciple of the Apostle John.



and elected through the true passion by the will of the Father, and Jesus Christ, our God

God existing in the flesh

Our Lord and God, Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God

For our God, Jesus Christ, was, according to the appointment of God

God Himself being manifested in human form for the renewal of eternal life.

God being manifested as man

We have also as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began.

Ignatius

Yep.
Keypurr has not done his homework very well.

 

[Bright Raven]

Twist all you wish but scripture about the state of the dead, they know nothing, their thoughts perish. believe in your foolishness if you wish my friend.

Jesus is a the right hand of God in heaven. From Gotquestions.org.

Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion regarding what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” heaven or hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?

First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after death believers’ souls/spirits are taken to heaven, because their sins are forgiven by having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16, 18, 36). For believers, death is to be “away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave “sleeping.” At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified, and then reunited with the soul/spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the possession of believers for eternity in the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21-22).

Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, death means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the great white throne, and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not sent to hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried out, “I am in agony in this fire” (Luke 16:24).

Therefore, after death, a person resides in a “temporary” heaven or hell. After this temporary realm, at the final resurrection, a person’s eternal destiny will not change. The precise “location” of that eternal destiny is what changes. Believers will ultimately be granted entrance into the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1). Unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people—based entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).

 

[keypurr]

are you like ignoring me [MENTION=3801]keypurr[/MENTION]?

Sorry, no I am not ignoring you. Ignatius writings are not used by me for it is not in the scriptures. Also his work has been questioned for some may be fraudulent.

 

[keypurr]

Jesus is a the right hand of God in heaven. From Gotquestions.org.

Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion regarding what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” heaven or hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?

First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after death believers’ souls/spirits are taken to heaven, because their sins are forgiven by having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16, 18, 36). For believers, death is to be “away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave “sleeping.” At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified, and then reunited with the soul/spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the possession of believers for eternity in the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21-22).

Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, death means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the great white throne, and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not sent to hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried out, “I am in agony in this fire” (Luke 16:24).

Therefore, after death, a person resides in a “temporary” heaven or hell. After this temporary realm, at the final resurrection, a person’s eternal destiny will not change. The precise “location” of that eternal destiny is what changes. Believers will ultimately be granted entrance into the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1). Unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people—based entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).

Thank you BR, you only prove my point. All will wait in their graves until he returns. No where in your post does any of your verse say that at death we go to heaven. Sorry, but it is nor there friend.

When we are in our graves we have no thoughts, no feelings, no knowledge. We just sleep until he comes for us. If it takes a million years we will not know it until the trumpet announces his return.

 

[keypurr]

Yep.
Keypurr has not done his homework very well.

How would you know?

 

[keypurr]

BR,I seem to remember that the first sign of a trinity came out of Egypt in the second century. It was brought into the church in the fourth, it was supported by the emperor. The pagan majority needed something from their religion to believe in as this religion was forced on them. Sunday worship was also forced on them.

 

[Tambora]

How would you know?

Because the triune GOD was taught before the 3rd to 4th century.

 

[keypurr]

Because the triune GOD was taught before the 3rd to 4th century.

It was not taught in the FIRST. No mention of a triune God at all. It does say they work as one, but not that they are a three in one. Believe me, my life would have been a lot easier if it did. It is not easy to discard tradition for truth.

 

[Tambora]

It was not taught in the FIRST. No mention of a triune God at all.

You have already been shown the writings of folks that did live in the FIRST who were teaching it.

 

[Bright Raven]

It was not taught in the FIRST. No mention of a triune God at all. It does say they work as one, but not that they are a three in one. Believe me, my life would have been a lot easier if it did. It is not easy to discard tradition for truth.

:duh: The Apostles taught the Trinity. Its in the Book, you just refuse to accept it.