Yes, he was made LIKE then, not ONE of them. Just another example of how your ilk DON'T read scripture with an eye towards the truth of it, but in a very eisegetical manner, and ignore ALL other scriptures that confirm Jesus' deity.
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Yes, he was made LIKE then, not ONE of them. Just another example of how your ilk DON'T read scripture with an eye towards the truth of it, but in a very eisegetical manner, and ignore ALL other scriptures that confirm Jesus' deity.
"God in the flesh" is a faith statement. It has nothing whatsoever to do with what a camcorder might pick up if it could take a glimpse into the historical past.
Caesar Augustus was also declared to be "God in the flesh." And carved into the stone architecture and stamped on the coins were other titles that literally said "God," "Son of God," "Lord" and even "Savior of the World."
I value intellectual honesty, even though I often have trouble living up to the task. But clearly "Caesar is God" and "Jesus is God" are not literal truths but rival claims. And historical methodology tells us that we are to take both sentences seriously.
The reason Jesus's Kingdom of God preaching was called that meant that Jesus was trying to indicate to his followers what the world would be like if God sat on the ruling throne instead of Caesar.
Today, as in the Roman Empire, the American Empire is also ruled by the powers and principalities that can be easily compared to Caesar's tyranny and violence.
Rome liked to flatter itself by calling its rule Pax Romana, "Roman Peace." And we too often tend to flatter ourselves by claiming our Founder's values are running the world.
I don't think it is either true or helpful to denigrate believers by saying they reject the Bible. The truth is, these are simple and moral Americans who have been trained not to pay attention to Jesus's teachings as much as they are directed to focus on ancient theological phrases such as "Jesus AS" Son of God, Savior, born of a virgin, etc.
All of us are doing the best we can with the information and beliefs we have gathered along the way as we navigate through this "vale of tears." It's too easy to put down folks just because you think they "reject the Bible."
I see them as fellow Christians sitting next to me in the pews.
Not all of his followers worshiped him. The idea of bowing down to a person who was supposedly divine would have been a scandal to first-century Jews.
The worshiping came long after Jesus died and was probably given a major boost by the Catholic Church and its focus on statues and icons. Statures are usually made for military kings and gods of the Greek and Roman variety.
The iconography shows me the human confusion around the truths of belief and everyday life.
Jesus was pointing his finger at something and we ended up pointing to his pointing finger instead.
You will find a study on the word "worship" - the Greek word "proskunew" to be interesting - inc. the reference in Rev3:9 I think where Jesus has unbelievers worshipping the saints... So, yes, men CAN legitimately receive worship contrary to anti-Biblical pagans who think otherwise...:chuckle:
Your theology is Arianism.The Nicene Creed's central term, used to describe the relationship between the Father and the Son, is Homoousios ( ὁμοούσιος), "of the same substance" or "of one being".
Nobody, but nobody is both a pinko commie and a Christian. :loser:
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Patrick, Aner is bringing you a lot of truth.
Is it possible that you do not see his view because your misunderstanding the verses you quote?
Lots of truth for those who want to go to hell, yes! I'll pass.
keypurr
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Jesus is the shell for the seed, your loss not to listen.
The seed is the thing to learn about.
WRONG! Not Arian. No personal pre-incarnate entity related to Jesus.
I can look at the presidencies of George Bush and Barack Obama to see "the worship of men."
My point was in the historical context of Judaism in the time of Jesus.
The Jews did not worship men, unless they bowed down to the many military Kings and dictators that ruled their lives for centuries. And just like in Jesus's day, there were probably many "collaborated" who revered the divine right of their conquerors.
Did you read Rev3:9? Get the significance??
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Who is IS the one mediator between God and men?
I Timothy 2:5 states "the man Christ Jesus"
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
It does not say , "the Spirit like His Father now" Christ Jesus.
He is now in his resurrected body which is far better than this vile body we have, but he is still a human. We will have a similar body at his return for the saints. Philippians 3:20-21, I Thessalonians 4:13-17
Jhn 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Now WHO is talking about going somewhere they can't? Common sense. Is it the flesh man?
Even the dull of hearing Pharisees knew it was something about His spirit, because they thought He was going to kill himself so that His spirit would be released to go somewhere.
And WHAT are they supposed to believe or they shall die in their sins? Wasn't it Peter's confession, THAT FLESH AND BLOOD (including the flesh and blood of the man Yeshua) did not reveal to him, but rather that His Father who is Spirit did?
Thou are THE CHRIST, THE SON of the living God.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
What did He tell Nicodemus? Who do you think was in heaven speaking? It wasn't the flesh and blood standing before Nicodemus. Do you understand who is being contrasted here? Moses, a natural man and the Christ Seed, a spiritual man. One spoke from the literal natural earthly kingdom, and One spoke/speaks from heaven.
YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM A PLACE YOU'VE NEVER BEEN BEFORE. Peace
Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Now WHO is talking about going somewhere they can't? Common sense. Is it the flesh man?
Even the dull of hearing Pharisees knew it was something about His spirit, because they thought He was going to kill himself so that His spirit would be released to go somewhere.
And WHAT are they supposed to believe or they shall die in their sins? Wasn't it Peter's confession, THAT FLESH AND BLOOD (including the flesh and blood of the man Yeshua) did not reveal to him, but rather that His Father who is Spirit did?
Thou are THE CHRIST, THE SON of the living God.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
What did He tell Nicodemus? Who do you think was in heaven speaking? It wasn't the flesh and blood standing before Nicodemus. Do you understand who is being contrasted here? Moses, a natural man and the Christ Seed, a spiritual man. One spoke from the literal natural earthly kingdom, and One spoke/speaks from heaven.
YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM A PLACE YOU'VE NEVER BEEN BEFORE. Peace
And why do you suppose it's worded CHRIST Jesus? There is flesh terrestrial and flesh celestial. He was a new creation man, the FIRSTBORN among many brethren, the only begotten of the Father, and the Seed of Abraham which is NOT NATURAL, because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God. The flesh profiteth nothing.
You can see Him in heaven now with a celestial flesh body, why is it
you can't see Him on earth with one?
He was a man before He got crucified. It is not complicated to see.
He became Spirit after He resurrected. that's why His disciples did not recognize Him right away.
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Yes.... He was. (But not just a man)
He was born of a virgin, so very different from you and I.
He was worshipped by angels, so very different from you and I.
He was worshipped by men, so very different from you and I.
He created everything, so very different from you and I.
Yes, Jesus was a man and,.....
begotten of the Father
Do you really believe Jesus is a man - or do you believe that he is an impersonal human nature actuated by a deity (the hypostatic union)?
Can you help by providing your input to the following two questions?
Do you believe that the Jesus conceived was a created human person - human center of consciousness - just like you and I??
Do you believe this Jesus that was conceived could fully independently function independent of any incarnated deity just like you and I?
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