I'm not here to disprove Calvinism. I'm here to agree with you about God's nature. I think we can do that. :up:
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I'm not here to disprove Calvinism. I'm here to agree with you about God's nature. I think we can do that. :up:
Nang
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Agreed.
Here is your error. The Son of God did not relinguish His divinity to become a baby; nor did the baby turn into triune God.
The Son of God remained infinite, and the child was born finite. The two natures united in Jesus the Christ. This miracle was a manifestation of the promised "Seed" of woman, provided from God, to temporally officiate as Mediator and High Priest on earth, to reconcile mankind with God Almighty.
Jesus Christ, being fully God and fully Man, apart from sin, was the only Mediator between God and men. II Timothy 2:5
No, you are being called a heretic for failing to distinguish between the two natures that existed together, but distinctly, in Jesus the Christ.
Thinking that Christ became just a baby, or that a baby was elevated to the Godhead, is to mix the properties of both . . . which causes your error in thinking.
From before the foundation and creation of this world, it was decreed and determined that God the Son; the Christ of God; would come into this world as Redeemer of those the Father gave Him.
Then, when Adam was created, he was made a man in the image of God; upright and without sin; morally accountable.
The Incarnation was the eventual manifestation of God the Son in His promised office of Redeemer of men.
This was the Lord from heaven and the heavenly light that came into the world, to dispel spiritual darkness and to reveal to men the Savior promised, in bodily form.
He came as a child, because those He came to save, were creatures of flesh and blood.
Hebrews 2:4-3:6 is very helpful.
Also Proverbs 30:4 reveals God as Son, ascending and descending from heaven. This is His inherent power revealed.
Straw men arguments are a logical fallacy. You should quit using them. :up:
I have not spoken on this topic at all.
None of this is in any way responsive to what I have said.
Nang
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Well, you are claiming God changes every time He interacts with His creation, but I tried to show He does so according to His inherent power and Sovereign right . . . and it is nothing new.
The Incarnation was the ultimate fulfillment of all God's covenants and promises of a Savior, that occurred in the "fulness of time," but there are many instances recorded in the O.T. of activity between God and His people . . . that never changed His decreed purposes, or cost the Almighty any portion of His infinite attributes.
Man is the only one who has changed, and changes. Man, who was created upright, changed into a totally depraved creature, but thanks be to the Immutable God who unconditionally loves His own . . that sinful man can still be changed to serve righteousness and be assured of everlasting life and glory.
I don't think I could say that if I tried. Is there a pronunciation key around here somewhere?
GuySmiley
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This is a very clear description of the problem that anyone could understand. :thumb:
This response has nothing to do with what was said. Its as if you just landed on earth and picked up English yesterday.
GuySmiley
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I bet the Pharisees all got comfort from each other by saying this same thing.
Btw, I understood you . . . you did not understand Stripe.
Dialogos
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fair enough, I'm not sure we do or that we don't, but I sure do appreciate the irenic nature of the conversation.
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When I ask a yes-or-no question, I expect a yes-or-no answer.
Nang
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What plan do you think God changed?
Jesus came into this world as the promised SEED of woman, as prophesied by God in Genesis 3:15.
Which necessitated He be born a CHILD as prophesied by the prophet Isaiah 9:6.
God the Son assumed a human nature, grew into an adult Man, and bore the same infirmities (apart from sin) as His brethren. Hebrews 2:10-11
From eternity, the Son of God carried these identities in His Person. He was and will forever carry all the names, titles, and offices that are His Being, including being the "Seed of woman," the "Child given," and the "Firstborn" from the dead.
Absolutely no changes in God the Son at all, for the Incarnation manifested Him in all His glory.
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When I am asked a yes or no question I only answer it when I am confident the asker and myself are speaking the same language and thus using the words similarly understood. We obviously are not on the same page with respect to theological terms. Your desire to assume I operate from the same presuppositions you do and therefore believe about my beliefs what you believe about my beliefs leaves no hope for honest discussion until the foundations are laid for clear discourse.
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glorydaz
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Can I copy and paste this, and maybe change it ever so slightly. and then pretend like it's mine?
Never mind, I know what you're going to say. :sigh:
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Nang
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If you cannot contribute to a theological debate with scripture and intelligent argument, I suggest you refrain from stupid misrepresentations of any of the views being discussed.
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IOW's, this post is without credentials and thus unnecessarily distractive.
And reported.