It's All Buddha
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wickwoman
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Thanks Beanieboy, Balder and Purex and anyone else I missed, for your kind comments.
To everyone else: There is no necessity to judge which bad events will turn out good in the end and which will not. For that matter, you, as a human being, do not have the foresight to do so. Example: Jesus’ crucifixion looked like a terrible event to the human beings who were there. And there were probably some followers who did not see him in his resurrected state (if this actually happened). They could have gone on and on about how terrible it was that he was crucified, however, they were incapable of knowing what the future held and how an entire religion that lasted for thousands of years would be founded on this person Jesus Christ.
As for those with bad intentions who commit what appears to be evil, they will receive their reward. However, this does not preclude the fact that all will work together for good. And, by no means, does the “it’s all Buddha” philosophy encourage wrong acts. However, it points to the truth of the matter: “all things work together for good.” Just because you do not see the end result does not mean that the end will not be good.
And how could anyone who acknowledges that even some things that look terrible on the surface do turn out good in the end, protest that there are other things that absolutely will not? How can a human being truly know the difference? Unless you have the ability to look into the future to the end of time, then you cannot predict that ALL things will not work together for good.
This is not condoning “evil.” It is giving up resistance to the whole of existence or the Tao, doing what you can to change your own world, and trusting the universe to handle the rest.
To everyone else: There is no necessity to judge which bad events will turn out good in the end and which will not. For that matter, you, as a human being, do not have the foresight to do so. Example: Jesus’ crucifixion looked like a terrible event to the human beings who were there. And there were probably some followers who did not see him in his resurrected state (if this actually happened). They could have gone on and on about how terrible it was that he was crucified, however, they were incapable of knowing what the future held and how an entire religion that lasted for thousands of years would be founded on this person Jesus Christ.
As for those with bad intentions who commit what appears to be evil, they will receive their reward. However, this does not preclude the fact that all will work together for good. And, by no means, does the “it’s all Buddha” philosophy encourage wrong acts. However, it points to the truth of the matter: “all things work together for good.” Just because you do not see the end result does not mean that the end will not be good.
And how could anyone who acknowledges that even some things that look terrible on the surface do turn out good in the end, protest that there are other things that absolutely will not? How can a human being truly know the difference? Unless you have the ability to look into the future to the end of time, then you cannot predict that ALL things will not work together for good.
This is not condoning “evil.” It is giving up resistance to the whole of existence or the Tao, doing what you can to change your own world, and trusting the universe to handle the rest.
BChristianK
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Wickwoman
I agree that some bad things lead to the good, but that doesn’t make the bad thing good.
Some good things came out of the murder of Matthew Shepherd, a lot of dialog was sparked about hate crimes, but that doesn’t make the students who killed Matthew shepherd commendable or innocent of guilt.
We appear to agree in your next statement.
Now you are right that as human being we cannot look to into the eschaton and know for certain which things happened for the ultimate good and which did not, but we can still look and see things like the brutal rape, enslavement and murder of women in Sudan as evil and wrong.
Now you finally say:
My toilet bowl, my toothbrush and my dirty socks are all a part of the universe, and I don’t place a lot of trust in the vast accumulations of toilet bowls, toothbrushes and dirty socks, along with everything else in universe, to work things out.
I’d rather put my trust in a God Who’s composition is totally devoid of toilet bowls and dirty socks.
Perhaps I will start a thread on the alleged sovereignty of the universe.
Grace and Peace
Agreed, but does that make such things good in and of themselves? You mentioned the crucifixion. Was that a good thing to do to someone? Should Pilate and the Sanhedrin be commended for this action because it all turned out good in the end?
I agree that some bad things lead to the good, but that doesn’t make the bad thing good.
Some good things came out of the murder of Matthew Shepherd, a lot of dialog was sparked about hate crimes, but that doesn’t make the students who killed Matthew shepherd commendable or innocent of guilt.
We appear to agree in your next statement.
So we are about 85% on the same page, where I disagree with you is in the next statement.
This will probably sound nitpicky but I think it is an important nitpick. Some things, are truly wrong, not just wrong on the surface. Those things can still be used toward an end of the ultimate good, but they are still wrong.
Now you are right that as human being we cannot look to into the eschaton and know for certain which things happened for the ultimate good and which did not, but we can still look and see things like the brutal rape, enslavement and murder of women in Sudan as evil and wrong.
Now you finally say:
the concept of trusting the universe is one that I have always found a little strange. It is a bit off topic, but as I consider the universe to be the sum of all things in the cosmos, I don’t place much trust in it as an entity with a collective consciousness.
My toilet bowl, my toothbrush and my dirty socks are all a part of the universe, and I don’t place a lot of trust in the vast accumulations of toilet bowls, toothbrushes and dirty socks, along with everything else in universe, to work things out.
I’d rather put my trust in a God Who’s composition is totally devoid of toilet bowls and dirty socks.
Perhaps I will start a thread on the alleged sovereignty of the universe.
Grace and Peace
Cyrus of Persia
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Do you also forbid your kids to interact with people who are gluttons, ShadowMaid?
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Do you also forbid your kids to interact with people who are gluttons, ShadowMaid?
Cyrus of Persia
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Because we need to protect our "truth" and if it takes bashing you, and your beliefs, then so be it.
*sarcasm mode off*
Cyrus of Persia
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Should there be people who love to eat too much?
Cyrus of Persia
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So it's ok to be gay who is Christian, and not ok to be gay who is non-Christian?
It's ok to be glutton who is Christian, and not ok to be glutton who is non-Christian?
Christine
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Gluttony is, of course a sin, but it is far worse than sodomy. Why? Gluttons only hurt themselves, but sodomites often molest children and hurt others. So, my answer would be, yes, I would allow my children to interact with gluttons.
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I'm not ShadowMiad, but allow me to express my opinion.
Gluttony is, of course a sin, but it is far worse than sodomy. Why? Gluttons only hurt themselves, but sodomites often molest children and hurt others. So, my answer would be, yes, I would allow my children to interact with gluttons.
On Fire
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Remove your head from your posterior.
If you kill 100 people then stop you are still a murder and will spend the rest of your life in prison (or, better yet, suffer the death penalty).
If you kill 100 people then stop and receive Jesus Christ you are a redeemed murder and will spend the rest of your life in prison (or, better yet, suffer the death penalty) but you will also go to heaven.
I agree.
My human behavior often wants to get revenge. This place is like a Petri dish that just makes you want to return evil with evil.
But really, it helps me see what true ugliness is, and know that I don't want to be like that, especially don't like it when I see it displayed in myself.
But it teaches me kindness, not out of example, but out of being forced into it.
It teaches me that evil returns evil and continues an endless chain, but kindness breaks the evil.
And I believe that being angry, being sad enough to lash out at other people and claim that you are being loving, is, in itself, its own punishment. It separates you from others, and so, from God.
It's just hard to keep remembering that. Thanks for the string around the finger.
Cyrus of Persia
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I do believe that rebellious children who kick their parents should be put to death (Ex 21:15)
I do believe that anyone who does any work in day of Sabbath, should be put to death (Ex 31:14)
I do believe that anyone who ever drinks blood, should be put to death (Lv 17:14)
I do believe that anyone who sleeps with his wife during menstruation should be put to death (Lv 18:19,29; 20:18)
I do believe that anyone who is commiting adultery should be put to death (Lv 20:10)
I do believe that anyone who mocks God's name (whatever in home, or in public, in TV, in Radio, in Internet, etc) should be put to death (Lv 24:16)
I hope, ShadowMaid, that you believe the same.
P.S. I also believe what is written in Rm 6:23 that everyone who sins is worthy of death. Even YOU and ME.
Cyrus of Persia
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As does Poly one day before God's judgement seat.