Is the doctrine of predestination in conflict with the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

Robert Pate

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Your post above (#77) says God is at peace with the world. So God has peace with every man but not every man has peace with God?!?

You got it.

They don't have peace with God because they have not received the reconciliation that God offers in the Gospel.

Paul said, "Be ye reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
 

nikolai_42

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You got it.

They don't have peace with God because they have not received the reconciliation that God offers in the Gospel.

Paul said, "Be ye reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.

You do realize that reconciliation is a 2 way street. Unless both parties are reconciled to each other, there is no reconciliation...
 

Robert Pate

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You do realize that reconciliation is a 2 way street. Unless both parties are reconciled to each other, there is no reconciliation...


That's right. The reconciliation must be received by both parties.

The Gospel calls for a response. No responce, no salvation.
 

nikolai_42

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That's right. The reconciliation must be received by both parties.

The Gospel calls for a response. No responce, no salvation.

Then only believers have been reconciled...

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2 Corinthians 5:17-21

In other words, God is not at peace with unrepentant sinners either.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:36

I'm pretty sure that "abideth" is present tense and an active reality...

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18
 

Robert Pate

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Then only believers have been reconciled...

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2 Corinthians 5:17-21

In other words, God is not at peace with unrepentant sinners either.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:36

I'm pretty sure that "abideth" is present tense and an active reality...

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18


The whole world has been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, saved and sinners, 2 Corinthians 5:20.

"And you that were sometimes alienated in your mind by wicked works, yet now has he reconciled" Colossians 1:21.

This also fits with...

"While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8.

Salvation has been provided for all, but nothing is ours until we receive it.
 
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