you accuse Jesus of not knowing what he is talking about here
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Er... um...no. I said Jesus talks about soul destruction and the exact words you used are everlasting punishment. If I slice my enemies throat in this life, that punishment is everlasting. As in... until judgment... death is everlasting.
You also took my statement of having an open mind and suggested I'm calling Jesus a liar.
My hard rebuttal is that if Jesus destroys something, I imagine He destroys it correctly. Not half tailed. As in... the Maker can unmake. I approached you with my open mind and you seem to be posturing.
But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.
strange how you believe what satan says but not what God said
Gen 2:17 but you shall not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
Adam & Eve died the day they ate from the tree
So... again... ur... um... No. Even though ECT sucks, it's a form of Life. You are agreeing with Satan that the wicked have some form of eternal life. :idunno:
I see Jesus teaching the flames do not consume.
Oh... so God destroys but can't destroy a soul? Oic... so perish gets redefined now while in direct contrast with eternal life.
You're all about the "you shall not surely die" gig.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
This is odd. This is about instant placement of eternal fate. Christians and people of OT faith are now in Heaven, but hell as you see it isn't struck until judgment day. You seem to be biblically out of order. The thing is... hell is the graduated word for Sheol. It is the realm of the dead. The lake of fire Hell isn't brought up until Armegeddon.
Are you a reformed believer? As in Spiritual Israel believer?
show me verses on mercy on judgement day.
Joel 2:12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
But especially 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all
sJesus answers your question:
Luk 16:27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house—
Luk 16:28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’
Luk 16:29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’
Luk 16:30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
Luk 16:31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”
Actually, your out of sync dispensationally with this. You are associating this with the lake of fire, but this is about Christians being with Jesus, while dead Jews in unbelief are wailing to be with Jesus. Are you a dispensational believer?
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Jer_29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD,
This is really bad. You believe in predestination and ECT. You have now stated that God made some to simply suffer eternally. That's pretty wicked. I'm going to make a life to eternally torture.
Is that Love?
Is any crime worth eternal torture? Any crime? Your a little too eager for the Divine, eternal barbecue. I'm open to God doing that, but it contradicts His nature. Unless you are Reformed and give God Satans attributes.
Joh 7:6 Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always here.
Could you please explain your usage here more clearly?
What does perish mean? What does destroy mean? Not by your argument, but per the dictionary?
truth , not mine not yours , the truth
Joh_14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
Um... again... I believe all of these verses. What you're doing is calling yourself the one with the true argument. But... you have to deal with the fact that Jesus says He can destroy the soul. Does God half do this? Destroy is obliterate. As in... God brings the boom and nothing stands when He lowers it.
You are missing that both arguments have validity.
Will you admit what destroy and perish mean?
To die is to cease. 2nd death sounds pretty final.
You aren't being honest with yourself about the meaning of the very words and context.
How does Hell get thrown into hell? Think about it.
