Is marital rape scripturally defensible?
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Eagles Wings
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The fair ground for scrutiny of a Christian man is not a forum such as this, where ungodly views of manhood and womanhood are evident.
Arsenios
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I have a rapist friend... He was an escaped con when I met him... Had to live the straight and narrow, but was addicted to raping women... It was a big city, and he befriended street hookers, took them to his place, got high with them, and lent them money - $100 normally - and the next week he would pick them up, take them to his place, get high, and ask for his money back, and would be refused, and he would then rape the hooker... The hooker would be back the next week, to get another loan...
So he straightened out some, got married, lived straight for some years... Divorce landed him in the clutches of the local FBI - She was pretty mad at him - And he went back to prison and completed his time plus the escape...
His re-arrest made the front page of the LA Times...
These kinds of passions are hard to overcome...
First off, you have to want to overcome them...
Then you have to get serious help...
Western psychotherapy is pretty clueless, except for a few mavericks...
And those few are not all that good...
It takes an Orthodox Christian Spiritual Father...
And good ones of these are also hard to find...
But they do exist, and can be found...
I haven't seen my friend in some 30 years...
He was going to remarry...
I pray for him...
Arsenios
So he straightened out some, got married, lived straight for some years... Divorce landed him in the clutches of the local FBI - She was pretty mad at him - And he went back to prison and completed his time plus the escape...
His re-arrest made the front page of the LA Times...
These kinds of passions are hard to overcome...
First off, you have to want to overcome them...
Then you have to get serious help...
Western psychotherapy is pretty clueless, except for a few mavericks...
And those few are not all that good...
It takes an Orthodox Christian Spiritual Father...
And good ones of these are also hard to find...
But they do exist, and can be found...
I haven't seen my friend in some 30 years...
He was going to remarry...
I pray for him...
Arsenios
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Feral Phoenician
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I've tried to write something numerous times, and every time, I discovered I'd violated HIPAA (inadvertently).
Since I was 19 (I'm now 32) I have worked in a Mental Health capacity. Been to University (ASU) for Psychology, plan on going back and eventually nabbing that PhD.
I cannot begin to tell you what rape does to it's victims, or what childhood sexual abuse does to it's victims. Their abusers are evil, meeting the criterion for a formal diagnosis of ether Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) or Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
Do some people falsely claim rape? Yes. They are a minority. Do some people falsely claim sexual abuse? Yes. They are an extreme minority.
Don't let the inflammatory words of SJW's (Social Justice Warriors) fog your mind. You'll find precious few victims in their ranks. If you want "the straight dope", reading Andrew Vachss (and his wife, Alice) are a great way to start.
If you think rape/abuse can just be "shaken off", research Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) ,Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD), and Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD). You'll also discover the comorbidities that overlap.
Since I was 19 (I'm now 32) I have worked in a Mental Health capacity. Been to University (ASU) for Psychology, plan on going back and eventually nabbing that PhD.
I cannot begin to tell you what rape does to it's victims, or what childhood sexual abuse does to it's victims. Their abusers are evil, meeting the criterion for a formal diagnosis of ether Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) or Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
Do some people falsely claim rape? Yes. They are a minority. Do some people falsely claim sexual abuse? Yes. They are an extreme minority.
Don't let the inflammatory words of SJW's (Social Justice Warriors) fog your mind. You'll find precious few victims in their ranks. If you want "the straight dope", reading Andrew Vachss (and his wife, Alice) are a great way to start.
If you think rape/abuse can just be "shaken off", research Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) ,Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD), and Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD). You'll also discover the comorbidities that overlap.
Good to know.
:chuckle: You say that as though I need your permission.
Nah, just pointing out your desperate needs.
Your need to desperately project.
And you still have no argument as to why marital rape is permissible outside of your own gender-based bias.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
pretty sure i am
death is permanent
rape is temporary
doser said:
town said:
i suspect that one would indeed be scared :idunno:
town said:
indeed, it may
in other cases, it may not
town said:
and many do
town said:
nonsense - it wasn't trivializing it, it was putting it in context
doser said:
town said:
i see you're back to playing with your pop-culture understanding of sociopathy - always amusing to see a layman posturing as an expert :chuckle:
"The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. 6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment."
If you're thinking of this passage a lot, you've probably lost the plot, and forgotten your first love.
Remember.
If you're thinking of this passage a lot, you've probably lost the plot, and forgotten your first love.
Remember.
I have noticed that verse being repeatedly thrown out by at least one individual in an effort to green light and downplay any type of physical abuse (rape included) from a husband towards his wife.
ok doser
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this passage refers to Christians, in a Christian marriage
non-Christians can do whatever the hell they want :idunno:
O-kay.
Didn't get that one either then...this is going to take a while.
lain: Or, your posting is a blunderland.I used death and a couple of other things in rebuttal and provided the contextual reason for people like Sod and Cruc, who might not understand otherwise. Here it is again:
"Like death, taxes or the lion's share of your posts then. Well there's something to be said for grotesque understatement. And that certainly said it."
The act, but what follows can do so for a lifetime, your empathy free valuation and advice notwithstanding.
A trivial context. No reasonable person would describe rape as an inconvenience. It's beyond understatement. It's as trivializing as had you described someone else's cancer as an inconvenience.
Here's the advice that followed:
That's missing something essential to being a human being...or at least a decent one.
It's true that I'm not offering a professional diagnosis.
Well, no. Supra.
ok doser
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...attempting to play your typical, tiresome, eighth grade boy's attention-seeking games
just go away, you silly tiresome bore - go seek attention from somebody who actually wants to read the crap you write
Actually, it's called rebutting your latest nonsense. Given how you're trying to meet it, I'm satisfied on the point.
That just gets funnier and funnier every time you say it.
ok doser
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That's sod parroting another bit of mine.
Anyway, I didn't have to. You did it when you couldn't rebut.
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