SaulToPaul 2
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Who received "all longsuffering" before Paul, and what does it entail?
Bump for clicherulz.
Who received "all longsuffering" before Paul, and what does it entail?
To make a fringe doctrinal dispute (MAD has NO credibility in academic circles and is virtually unknown among virtually all true global Christians) a salvific, essential issue is turning MAD into a sect or cult.
The glorified body is irreversible/unconditional/unilateral since it is a metaphysical/ontological change that God will not reverse. Salvation is not metaphysical (confusion of categories on your part), but a reciprocal love relationship that is conditional and involving two parties. As in marriage, it is reversible (divorce is possible; analogies can be used both ways, so are limited). Spiritual rebirth is relational, not ontological like physical birth (so the unborn or unparent argument is lame).
I believe it in context, not as a proof text for your views. Justification is about our initial coming to Christ when we are declared righteous (legal term) and our past sins are dealt with. At that point of conversion, there are no future sins yet. Reconciliation deals with our past sins. My objection is to think we can persist in sheer rebellion, sin, and disobedience with impunity because non-existent sins have blanket forgiveness just because our past sins were dealt with at justification.
Bump for clicherulz.
You are guilty of eisegesis because you are clueless about theology and exegesis. We can read and quote the same verses, but interpret them differently, just like millions of Christians do. I accept that we are dead to sin and alive to Christ, but other verses also teach against your sinless perfectionism. What does it mean? I can reject your wrong understanding without rejecting Bible, gospel, Christ.
You are wrongly assuming you are infallible and anyone who disagrees with you is a dope (despite your views being refuted over and over throughout church history from the Bible).
Your circ gospel post cross is what rejects the gospel of grace, whereas non-Calvinistic views do not, despite how much Calvinists jump up and down promoting straw man myths about free will theism.
I once dated a Pauline, but never a Petrine or Johannine.
You are guilty of eisegesis because you are clueless about theology and exegesis.
We can read and quote the same verses, but interpret them differently, just like millions of Christians do.
Here is the original, but with post purging, it might be a dead link.
That isn't the problem, your perversion of the gospel is the problem.
You are guilty of eisegesis because you are clueless about theology and exegesis.
a salvific, essential issue is turning MAD into a sect or cult.
Again, don't be stupid.
The old "reciprocal love relationship" thing, hadn't heard it in a while.
if rulz loved the Lord, he would keep his commandments...what% is the minimum?
so much for the reciprocal love...
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever loveth him back (to a certain degree) shall not perish?
Show us where the 12 preached the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ for our justification. Show us where they are looking back on their salvation they already have and are dead to sin. All things are legal. Go, on. Show us.
You can quote any "New Testament" book outside of Acts 9-Philemon.
It's been nearly a decade with this clown, for me, I'm pretty sure he's just stupid.I don't believe it's because he's "too stupid". He's blinded because he believes not (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV).
Don't be an idiot. 2 Cor. 4 would apply to those who deny the Pauline gospel (I deny the MAD heresy or the circ vs uncirc two gospel post-cross nonsense). Apply it to the enemies of the cross like Islam, JW, Mormon, Scientology, Buddhism, atheism, etc.
To make a fringe doctrinal dispute (MAD has NO credibility in academic circles and is virtually unknown among virtually all true global Christians) a salvific, essential issue is turning MAD into a sect or cult.
Again, don't be stupid.
And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their mind, that they might understand the scriptures;
I appreciate that however, I am looking at the entire passage and not just the portion you cut n p'd
I just see clearly that Jesus revealed to the disciples the propitiating instrumentality of His death, burial and resurrection.
During Acts - Jew first, then the Greek
Post Acts - Anyone
According to the Holy Bible
And either I am right, or the Bible is wrong.
Romans 16
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
1 Corinthians 2
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
There is a difference between MAD proof texts and contextual exegesis.