Derf
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A quick, and only partial reply, due to time.
[Act 2:27, 29 KJV] Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. ... Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
The two things:
1. body is dead and still buried
2. soul is still in hell
His proof is singular. David's sepulchre is where they can check it out and see if David is still in hell and if his body is still there.
Thus, according to your view, David's body being in the sepulchre means that his soul is still in hell. The two go together according to Peter--"he is both dead AND buried" (two things). Just as leaving his soul in hell and seeing corruption are two things (show me where I'm off base on this one, because it is very obvious in your view that Peter is talking about the soul being in hell, nothing to do with the body in those words).
He was comparing David's CURRENT state to Jesus, by pointing to David's sepulchre. David's state, remember, was 1. body in grave and 2. soul in hell.
If your view is correct in terms of Jesus taking everybody from Abraham's bosum up to heaven with him, then David must have been in the tormenting side of Hades, according to Peter. I don't think you really want to go there, do you? (Pun unintended, but happily retained.)
You're still conflating the different kinds of death.
David was physically dead. He was separated from his physical body.
David (at the time of Acts 2) was spiritually alive. He was no longer separated from His Creator, either metaphorically or literally.
So the answer to your question is that David was both alive AND dead, in TWO VERY DIFFERENT WAYS. (Thus, the law of non-contradiction is not violated.)
Peter's description addressed either two things, in your view, or one, in mine. If two, then you have to deal with the body and soul being in separate places. Here it is again for reference:And minus two points to you for your position being inconsistent with itself, and more importantly, with the Bible.
Ever heard of the term "synecdoche"?
It's a figure of speech where a portion of something is used to refer to the whole, or vice versa.
Here, because of the context of "in Bethlehem," we can easily recognize that despite "her spirit departing from her," the part of "Rachel" that was being buried was her body, but it's referred to by the whole, "Rachel." Her spirit had already departed from her. She was dead, separated from her body, and was, as far as we can gather from the text, one of the ones whom Christ led from Abraham's Bosom (now empty) during His time in Hell, and is now in the presence of her Creator, awaiting physical resurrection.
If it's as you say, then "Rachel" doesn't exist at that point, and what was buried was just a slab of meat anyways, and not the person, "Rachel." Which makes what the Bible said wrong.
Your view is inconsistent with itself and the Bible. Mine is not, especially considering the use of a synecdoche.
[Act 2:27, 29 KJV] Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. ... Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
The two things:
1. body is dead and still buried
2. soul is still in hell
His proof is singular. David's sepulchre is where they can check it out and see if David is still in hell and if his body is still there.
Thus, according to your view, David's body being in the sepulchre means that his soul is still in hell. The two go together according to Peter--"he is both dead AND buried" (two things). Just as leaving his soul in hell and seeing corruption are two things (show me where I'm off base on this one, because it is very obvious in your view that Peter is talking about the soul being in hell, nothing to do with the body in those words).
He was comparing David's CURRENT state to Jesus, by pointing to David's sepulchre. David's state, remember, was 1. body in grave and 2. soul in hell.
If your view is correct in terms of Jesus taking everybody from Abraham's bosum up to heaven with him, then David must have been in the tormenting side of Hades, according to Peter. I don't think you really want to go there, do you? (Pun unintended, but happily retained.)