ok doser
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Blame the Jews?:idunno:
If Speed Limits Are Abolished Then How Can Anyone Be Accused Of Driving Too Fast?
- Thread starter Arthur Brain
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Blame the Jews?:idunno:
Luckily, nobody has advocated an absence of laws to deal with excess speed.
When you start a post with a logical fallacy, there's no point reacting to the rest of it.
Or even reading it.
Arthur Brain
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Sure they have:
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?131076-Honest-lawyer&p=5285878&viewfull=1#post5285878
For starters the following out of the above post:
"There wouldn't be speed limits."
"Nothing to break..."
Those are direct quotes from the above post in relation to laws regarding speeding. You don't even read your own threads very well do you?
Whatever "justification" followed doesn't do away with the fact that JR thinks there should be no such thing as speed limits, from his very own words. Frankly, anyone who thinks that drivers should be allowed to regulate their own speed with no speed caps no matter what is a bonafide moron and thankfully the law kicks that insanity into touch.
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Because he has the mental capacity of a four-year-old.
ok doser
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that would explain the emotional tantrums he regularly throws
I just reported that latest one
drbrumley
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#5. Speed Limits
The Idea:
Speeding is a major cause behind many fatal accidents, so it must also be true that mandating lower speed limits will make us all safer, right? Like how after marijuana was made illegal, you could hardly find anybody smoking the stuff.
It was back in 1974 that the federal government passed the National Maximum Speed Limit Law in the USA, slowing America down to a creeping 55 miles per hour. The main reason behind the law was to lower gas consumption, but President Nixon promised us it would make our streets safer as well.
Partially thanks to anti-speed limit activists like Sammy Hagar, in 1995 it was repealed. But not everyone was happy about that. Some states and many cities still have their highway speed limits set at or near the ’74 lows, and a lot of people support bringing the ’74 law back into effect before every man, woman and child in the country finds themselves living in the horrifying universe of 2 Fast 2 Furious.
But There’s a Problem…
After the National speed limit was repealed, the state of Montana removed all non-urban speed limits in their state. A few years later, engineers working with the state decided to venture out to see just what kind of post-apocalyptic Death Race wasteland their lawless state had produced. What they found was that, you guessed it, on the roads where they removed the speed limits, fatalities didn’t go up at all.
Proponents of the national law still argue that traffic fatalities nationwide did drop during the national speed limit’s lifetime. Buzz-killing critics of the law point out that no, no they didn’t.
Why Doesn’t it Work?
Because, and this surprised the hell out of us, people aren’t completely retarded. As it turns out, people tend to drive at speeds they feel comfortable driving. Yes, there are reckless madmen out there, but they’re not going to obey a couple of digits on a sign anyway. It just becomes a make-work project for traffic cops.
DRB- I love it....
The Idea:
Speeding is a major cause behind many fatal accidents, so it must also be true that mandating lower speed limits will make us all safer, right? Like how after marijuana was made illegal, you could hardly find anybody smoking the stuff.
It was back in 1974 that the federal government passed the National Maximum Speed Limit Law in the USA, slowing America down to a creeping 55 miles per hour. The main reason behind the law was to lower gas consumption, but President Nixon promised us it would make our streets safer as well.
Partially thanks to anti-speed limit activists like Sammy Hagar, in 1995 it was repealed. But not everyone was happy about that. Some states and many cities still have their highway speed limits set at or near the ’74 lows, and a lot of people support bringing the ’74 law back into effect before every man, woman and child in the country finds themselves living in the horrifying universe of 2 Fast 2 Furious.
But There’s a Problem…
After the National speed limit was repealed, the state of Montana removed all non-urban speed limits in their state. A few years later, engineers working with the state decided to venture out to see just what kind of post-apocalyptic Death Race wasteland their lawless state had produced. What they found was that, you guessed it, on the roads where they removed the speed limits, fatalities didn’t go up at all.
Proponents of the national law still argue that traffic fatalities nationwide did drop during the national speed limit’s lifetime. Buzz-killing critics of the law point out that no, no they didn’t.
Why Doesn’t it Work?
Because, and this surprised the hell out of us, people aren’t completely retarded. As it turns out, people tend to drive at speeds they feel comfortable driving. Yes, there are reckless madmen out there, but they’re not going to obey a couple of digits on a sign anyway. It just becomes a make-work project for traffic cops.
DRB- I love it....
ok doser
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ok doser
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You mean enforcing speed limits will cause people to slow down and reduce fatalities as a result. That's mostly why they're in place today. That and we haven't designed our highways to be as safe at high speeds as, say, the Germans.
Well, use has gone up where the product is legalized, so if the aim of those laws was to suppress use it worked to some extent.
And that makes sense, because those non-urban roads were largely arterial roads, that is to say roads with the fewest access points, the least amount of perpendicular traffic. They're safer for high speeds than local roads with a large number of access points.
Read an interesting article by an engineer on the subject. He said that people tend to drive in their comfort zone. If you want to slow things down you have to impact that. You can do that by narrowing roads or putting in breaks that force people to adjust their driving. I suppose you do a version of that when you have regular interdiction by police vehicles and/or a steady presence on those roads. But when the speed is lower than the prevailing comfort zone you will have a larger group of people driving much faster than most other cars. That difference in speed causes a great many accidents. So adjusting upward will actually make things safer, as it decreases the variance between more vehicles.
Meanwhile, in roads with many access points, speeds have trended lower, because at those speeds the comfort zone is also lower, people being aware of the inherent dangers of excess speed.
Ooops, OK is correct.
Let me know if you ever figure out what you meant by the "straw man" charge and how answering AB's question could resemble that.