ECT If David Calls Him 'Lord'

[steko]

What promises would those be?

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

 

[patrick jane]

What promises would those be?

See steko's post - #18

 

[Tambora]

What promises would those be?

Here's one for starters.

Amos 9:15 KJV
(15) And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

 

[Interplanner]

Yeppers.

Unless all things were meant to be fulfilled (TO COME INTO MATURE FORM) in CHRIST. WHICH THEY WERE.

 

[Danoh]

Unless all things were meant to be fulfilled (TO COME INTO MATURE FORM) in CHRIST. WHICH THEY WERE.

Prove it - post passages of Scripture that actually say that.

Not that you assert say that, but that actually say that.

We are talking Scripture - not your baseless, yet proven assertions, other than in your own mind.

 

[TweetyBird]

Joshua- circa 1500 bc

Amos- circa 785 bc

Amo 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.


Ezekiel- circa 600 bc

Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.


If GOD meant that the statement in Joshua was the final fulfillment of all He had promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, then He wouldn't have said what He did in Amos, Ezekiel and many other prophecies hundreds of years later.

Those prophecies were before Nehemiah and Ezra. Nehemiah is the last word on the subject - around 440 BCE.

 

[TweetyBird]

Here's one for starters.

Amos 9:15 KJV
(15) And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Nehemiah is the last to speak of the land - and was after Amos.

Neh 9:8 And Thou didst find Abraham's heart faithful before Thee, and didst make a covenant with him to give him the land of the Canaanite, of the Hittite and the Amorite, of the Perizzite, the Jebusite, and the Girgashite-- to give it to his descendants. And Thou hast fulfilled Thy promise, for Thou art righteous.

God said He broke the covenant with Israel. The land promises are over with.

 

[TweetyBird]

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

You don't believe that Jesus is King now?

 

[Danoh]

Nehemiah is the last to speak of the land - and was after Amos.

Neh 9:8 And Thou didst find Abraham's heart faithful before Thee, and didst make a covenant with him to give him the land of the Canaanite, of the Hittite and the Amorite, of the Perizzite, the Jebusite, and the Girgashite-- to give it to his descendants. And Thou hast fulfilled Thy promise, for Thou art righteous.

God said He broke the covenant with Israel. The land promises are over with.

Nope.

Said covenant was not only UNconditional, and not only with Abraham, but with Isaac and Jacob.

 

[Danoh]

You don't believe that Jesus is King now?

Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: 1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; 1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; 1:73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

 

[Interplanner]

Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: 1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; 1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; 1:73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

And Christians did receive all this. they recieved what was promised to Abraham, which is why you never agree to agree to Acts 13, which says all that! Christ removed his people from the destruction of Jerusalem by stalling the whole thing to let them escape. To give them quiet lives in Christ in other countries.

The Pharisees were strict literalists 50X in the Gospel of John. Enjoy your company. "How can we eat his flesh?"

 

[Interplanner]

Here's one for starters.

Amos 9:15 KJV
(15) And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

But old Israel was. New Israel was not, for the 'kingdom we are recieving is an unshakeable kingdom.' Hebrews.

 

[Interplanner]

A post says:
then He wouldn't have said what He did in Amos, Ezekiel and many other prophecies hundreds of years later.

Not only do you have the post from Nehemiah, but you have Dan 9: the place is to be decimated, while the Messiah and his accomplishments remain. The overall NT picture could not be made more clear in as few words.

 

[Danoh]

And Christians did receive all this. they recieved what was promised to Abraham, which is why you never agree to agree to Acts 13, which says all that! Christ removed his people from the destruction of Jerusalem by stalling the whole thing to let them escape. To give them quiet lives in Christ in other countries.

The Pharisees were strict literalists 50X in the Gospel of John. Enjoy your company. "How can we eat his flesh?"

Prove through Acts 13 that it says that.

Post the actual passages that actually say that.

You can't.

All you do is assert it is so, because you...have said so...

Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Just as Jesus is a literal, physical descendant of Jacob, even as David was a literal, physical descendant of Jacob; the house of Jacob is comprised of Jacob's literal, physical descendants.

All that is literal...

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

All that is literal.

 

[Interplanner]

It was asked where the NT says the things promised to Israel are fulfilled. That what the sermon of Acts 13 is about. But as far as I know that sermon is banned, verboten, heretic to many of the members here. Everything the NT is saying about all these things is there in miniature, in summary. And why the mission of the Gospel is the vision going forward at the same time without reversion back to the land.

There just is no reason. The mission is now everything, because Christ is the new Moses or bread from heaven, the new "law" if you will. All the scriptures testified of him.

 

[patrick jane]

It was asked where the NT says the things promised to Israel are fulfilled. That what the sermon of Acts 13 is about. But as far as I know that sermon is banned, verboten, heretic to many of the members here. Everything the NT is saying about all these things is there in miniature, in summary. And why the mission of the Gospel is the vision going forward at the same time without reversion back to the land.

There just is no reason. The mission is now everything, because Christ is the new Moses or bread from heaven, the new "law" if you will. All the scriptures testified of him.

Why don't you post the scriptures that say it? You do know how to read scripture, correct?

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Just as Jesus is a literal, physical descendant of Jacob, even as David was a literal, physical descendant of Jacob; the house of Jacob is comprised of Jacob's literal, physical descendants.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Tambora]

Here's one for starters.

Amos 9:15 KJV
(15) And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

Nehemiah is the last to speak of the land - and was after Amos.

Neh 9:8 And Thou didst find Abraham's heart faithful before Thee, and didst make a covenant with him to give him the land of the Canaanite, of the Hittite and the Amorite, of the Perizzite, the Jebusite, and the Girgashite-- to give it to his descendants. And Thou hast fulfilled Thy promise, for Thou art righteous.

God said He broke the covenant with Israel. The land promises are over with.

Read carefully.

no more be pulled up out of their land


Hasn't happened, yet.

 

[Danoh]

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Two sections of passages speaking of a same principle, that differs in application...in each...

 

[Interplanner]

Read carefully.

no more be pulled up out of their land


Hasn't happened, yet.

Yes, it is fulfilled in Christ. Guess where it is mentioned? HEBREWS. The land that believers were seeking was not Israel, nor was it a return to Persia. It is an unshakeable kingdom that is slightly above right now, but will be 'down' here one day, on the NHNE! Praise the Lord!

Meanwhile, as you see, Nehemiah and Daniel 9 say the land and worship system fade into history. But Messiah's work/mission thrives.

And you may have noticed in Dan 2 that the kingdom that comes and supplants all others is not Judaic; it is not made from human hands. it is a great mountain that fills all the world. Sounds like another kind of Jerusalem to me--if you know the topography of Jerusalem. (The new Ben-Hur did some neat visuals about that).